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Post by canadianphilatelist on Mar 10, 2015 0:10:08 GMT
What do you think? Real or fake? Should I get it certified or am I wasting my time?
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Mar 10, 2015 1:13:49 GMT
What do you think? Real or fake? Should I get it certified or am I wasting my time? Nice one CP, I am certainly no expert, but would suggest larger scans would be helpful. We need to know if the "G" is serrifed All four stamps were reprinted in 1866, 1870, 1884,1886,1887,1894, and 1904 The colours for the most part are brighter and fresher than the originals. It appears to have part of an expertisers mark on the back. Maybe Google for any treatise on this issue. Our member, Classical stamps may have Forgery information. Using the assumption, that any possible valuable stamp discovered, is of the least value, Stanley Gibbons offers a variety of the 6k Type 1 (not serrifed G ) "Orange" for example. (No usable CV, catalogue is 1965)
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Post by canadianphilatelist on Mar 10, 2015 1:18:37 GMT
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Mar 10, 2015 1:25:49 GMT
Never jump to conclusions, rare stamps are getting discovered all the time . Good Luck. "He who jumps with no parachute, jumps to conclusion"
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Post by cjd on Mar 10, 2015 1:50:52 GMT
Do you have the ability to bump up the size and resolution? I tried to enlarge it but lost too much detail. (We might be able to i.d. particular forgeries with a bigger scan.)
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Post by canadianphilatelist on Mar 10, 2015 1:54:26 GMT
I figured out how to get a bigger picture
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Post by rod222 on Mar 10, 2015 2:24:31 GMT
Opinion: Looks Promising. It is a Type 1 and I would give it Orange Was £300 in 1965 Now for the Big Guys for their interpretation.
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Post by rod222 on Mar 10, 2015 2:43:18 GMT
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Post by canadianphilatelist on Mar 10, 2015 2:54:07 GMT
Thanks for the info
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Post by rod222 on Mar 10, 2015 2:58:12 GMT
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Post by canadianphilatelist on Mar 11, 2015 14:47:06 GMT
Thanks Rod. I had the opportunity to read the reference material you listed. It actually looks like I might have a genuine one.
Next question, anyone know which expertizer specializes in Austrian BOB?
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Post by khj on Mar 11, 2015 16:19:17 GMT
While the genuine stamp does have larger top/bottom margins, yours appear extraordinarily large -- suggesting not original.
In terms of printing, your stamp appears to meet all the criteria for Type I, but is lacking of one criteria for an original Type I printing.
All reprints of the 30kr are of Type I. My understanding is that one of the distinguishing characteristics of the reprints is the 3rd & 4th background lines near the top left corner do NOT touch each other. In the genuine 30kr, they barely touch each other (NOTE: in the Fournier forgery, they DO touch each other, so this is not a sufficient criteria to determine genuine).
It appears to be a reprint (my non-expert opinion), possibly the 1870 reprint -- you'd have to check the paper type and gum to confirm.
I am open to correction...
k
{EDIT: Please note, the info above applies specifically to the 30kr reprint}.
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Post by zipper on Mar 11, 2015 17:43:46 GMT
Thanks Rod. I had the opportunity to read the reference material you listed. It actually looks like I might have a genuine one. Next question, anyone know which expertizer specializes in Austrian BOB? I'm rooting for you!
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Post by cjd on Mar 11, 2015 17:59:42 GMT
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Post by canadianphilatelist on Mar 13, 2015 0:18:05 GMT
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Post by canadianphilatelist on Mar 13, 2015 12:11:04 GMT
I wrote the contact provided and the response was, "This is only a cheap REPRINT!" Oh well.
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Post by canadianphilatelist on Mar 13, 2015 12:22:23 GMT
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Post by khj on Mar 13, 2015 15:45:30 GMT
If it is the 1870 reprint, about 10000 of those were produced. Some of the reprints were done in very small quantities. I assume the expert could tell just from the picture and decided it was one of the more common reprints (such as the 1870 reprint). Did the expert mention which year reprint?
Again, as I noted in my previous post, it would appear to me that the clear distinguishing feature to show it is a reprint is the fact that it is Type I and there is a clear separation between the 3rd and 4th lines of shading in the upper left corner.
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Post by canadianphilatelist on Mar 14, 2015 20:54:02 GMT
I quoted the expert's entire message. Only the one sentence in his email.
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Post by salentin on Apr 18, 2016 3:37:18 GMT
The stamp is the 6 Kr. red and not the 30 Kr. It is most likely a reprint,but only an expert,best an austrian or german one,could tell for sure what reprint it is. All reprints are type one.However the original 6 Kr. red is type II.So it cannot be an original. Better reprints,like that of 1866,1884 or 1886 are rather expensive in the range of € 100.- to € 300.-. Cheaper reprints (1870,1887,1894 and 1904) are in the range of € 10.- to € 30.- each. As the original 6 Kr. red is the most expensive stamp of Austria,what could cost in a good condition,mint no gum, easily € 10.000.-,with original gum triple that and used in the range of € 50.000.-,most collectors will be happy to own a nice reprint !
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Post by david on Jan 2, 2022 10:35:17 GMT
Hello i found this post and also have a stamp from this era. I obtained while buying a big lot of stamps (some in boxes, some in enveloppes but this particular one was in a small album). On colnect they claim it is a newspaper stamp this is the stamp that i have Can anyone tell me if this is also a fake or reprint or a genuine stamp.
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Post by salentin on Jan 2, 2022 12:29:50 GMT
It is a rather common stamp. 131 millions were printed.No good reason to fake it. In this poor condition,cut into the design on two sides,it is of little value.
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