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Post by katie333 on Jun 9, 2015 0:17:08 GMT
Hi all
I've got one drying book which does the job, but I found that my (current, could totally change!) desire to soak is expanding beyond the capacity of my book. I have looked at a few options to purchase, wondering if anyone has made something themselves that they find works well?? The cost and effort of materials may outweigh the cost of a drying book, so maybe that is the best option?
Thanks!
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Post by rod222 on Jun 9, 2015 2:13:37 GMT
Hi all I've got one drying book which does the job, but I found that my (current, could totally change!) desire to soak is expanding beyond the capacity of my book. I have looked at a few options to purchase, wondering if anyone has made something themselves that they find works well?? The cost and effort of materials may outweigh the cost of a drying book, so maybe that is the best option? Thanks! Hi Katie, for 10 years I have used my personally designed "Drying Sandwich" I'll look through my database, and try and find the detailed method. It costs around $2.40 and will last a lifetime, the stamp volume is infinity. I'll get back to you shortly. Perhaps prices have gone up, but scapbook, and A4 Freezer Bags should give you change from $5 Stamps to be sorted via type prior to soaking. eg: non fugitive, self stick etc. WARNING : Seperate stamps on coloured paper / envelopes they shall stain others In this example, low value, used, non fugitive with hinge remnants. Articles required: Large and small glass mixing bowl. 2 new laundered tea towels tweezers Large format disposable book with non-glossy paper pages New scrap book with soft white thick pages. Packet of A4 sized freezer bags. Method Rip the scrap book pages into A4 sized sheets Submerge the stamps (60 at a time) in the mixing bowl of water with cold to bordering on, tepid water. Leave for 15 minutes, Remove the stamps one by one checking for any gum remaining. Place into a second smaller bowl of clean cold water. When all removed from larger bowl, lift the stamps from the smaller bowl, onto a laundered tea towel, face up. Any stamps showing sign of curling, can be flattened in seconds by caressing the rear of the stamp gently via the curved end or the tweezers (whilst on the towel), they flatten out as if by magic. When all stamps are on the tea towel, flop the second tea towel on top, and pat dry. Remove the top tea towel. Place an A4 sheet of scrap book paper, with a freezer bag on top, begin to use the tweezers to lift each stamp and place on the freezer bag. When stamps cover the freezer bag, place another A4 sheet on top, and place the “sandwich” into the disposable book Leave about 15 pages between each “sandwich” Put another random book on top, and leave for 4-5 days I allow around 30 minutes to complete 60 stamps. The finished product is a clean flat stamp which, under the scanner the fibres on the perfs are generallyaligned and neat. They will <never> (apart from badly soaked self stick stamps) adhere to the freezer bag, and will just slide off when dry. The pic is 10 years old, but you get the picture Long nosed tweezers is the preferred weapon for Philately (but expensive around $15) If you need a video on self stick removal, let us know.
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Post by Ryan on Jun 9, 2015 4:10:24 GMT
I do things a bit differently from Sir Rodney. First of all, I use commercially available drying books. I got a screaming deal once on a wholesale bundle of 12 Lighthouse books (and I was purchasing some literature also so there was a box being shipped to me anyway), so that's what I use. Rod suggests allowing the stamps to dry 4 or 5 days - I'd go a bit further and suggest a full week, so you'll need enough books to last you for that long before the oldest one gets emptied and reused. And tongs on wet stamps? Not me! Not no way, not no how ... I'd poke holes in everything. But I'm a tad clumsy, I suppose. My fingers are oil-free while I'm messing around with a sink full of stamps, so I'm not worried about that. Certainly they're cleaner than the guy who first stuck the stamp on the envelope .... Here's a look at how I operate my stack of drying books (I have only 9 of them on the go in this shot, I had a few months where I didn't soak anything so I emptied all the books and I'm just getting going again). Once all of my books are used, the bottom-most book is the oldest so it gets emptied, re-used and stacked back on top. Ryan
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Post by philatelia on Jun 9, 2015 4:11:25 GMT
I swear by my Desert Magic Books - I think I only paid around $6 each but that was back when they were still building the pyramids so they might be pricier nowadays.
I do the exact same thing as the pic above. Alternate the books in a stack so the bindings don't prevent them from being perfectly flat then stack a bunch of hefty books on top. 8-10 hours later they are flat, dry and then the fun begins!
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Post by rod222 on Jun 9, 2015 4:32:31 GMT
...and I can personally recommend Ryan's method. I have had lots of stamps from Ryan, they are always fresh and clean, and even the etiquettes are as flat as a Halibut. We can forgive him for not using Tongs.
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Post by Ryan on Jun 9, 2015 4:36:03 GMT
Speaking of soaking etiquettes - Rod, did you know your Constellation mailing etiquette survives my paint thinner self-adhesive soaking method? I have a few of them drying in the books right now ...
Zuzu's art stamps survived too!
Ryan
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Post by rod222 on Jun 9, 2015 4:51:17 GMT
Speaking of soaking etiquettes - Rod, did you know your Constellation mailing etiquette survives my paint thinner self-adhesive soaking method? I have a few of them drying in the books right now ... Zuzu's art stamps survived too! Ryan Why am I wincing ? In Oz, I use "Fuelite" dry cleaning fluid. Probably very much the same thing, Ryan. It has failed on some modern US, not sure if they are self stick or water based.
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Post by Ryan on Jun 9, 2015 5:02:20 GMT
The only US self-adhesive stamps I can't remove are some of the red date 1996 coil & booklet Flag over Porch 32 cent definitives. Some of them can be removed with water - those that can't are also stubborn with my paint thinner. Everything else I've tried from the US can be removed (so far). It fails to remove a few others, though - some die-cut self-adhesives from Tonga, Norfolk Island, etc, but others from Tonga come off fine. I have to try them to find out, I don't yet see a difference between the ones that work and the ones that don't. And there's an Italian self-adhesive with a hologram on it - complete destruction with my paint thinner! ha ha
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Post by scb on Jun 9, 2015 7:41:31 GMT
And I'm doing things a bit differently:
1. Soak up the stamps you want
2. Place the wet stamps face down on a newspaper to dry (make sure you use newspaper that DOES NOT BLEED when wet).
3. When paper is full, place another piece of newspaper on top and let it soak the moisture for about 30 seconds.
4. Remove the top newspaper (and peel of any stamps that have gotten stuck with it)
5. Take a new dry newspaper and move the stamps one by one into there (this prevents the stamps from sticking into wet newspaper when it dries)
6. In about 30-45 minutes all your stamps are dry, and you can place them for flattening inside a stock book (I'm using end-of-life stock books for drying).
7. Stack something heavy on top and in about 24 hours your stamps are perfectly flat and ready for final destination.
8. Repeat
Build from 'free recycle material' and easily expandable (for example I've got 4 falling apart stock books for this), what else could a penny pinching collector hope for. LOL.
-k-
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Post by katie333 on Jun 11, 2015 0:51:04 GMT
Thanks everyone for your detailed and thoughtful replies. I am also using some of these techniques with my long loved drying book (the tea towels to allow the stamps to dry a bit before placing them in a book which I have the perfect sized heavy book placed on top). I also hold mine for a week, but that's mostly because I only get time to do this once per week anyway.
I will look into these options before I decide to dump $20 on a book. I will still have to track some things such as scrapbook paper and I live in a tiny town so that's a trip outside regardless (and I don't get the newspaper either!).
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Post by katie333 on Jul 5, 2015 15:14:09 GMT
Well I tried my hand at DIY books using some or a combination of the methods above. Let's just say it did not go well. Clearly my DIY skills are as good as they are for home repairs. Then I bought a new drying book from Canada Post while ordering some postage from them, and I just HATE it, I think my DIY versions were actually better. Now I am longing for the book I was trying to replace. It has blotting paper and plasticized sheets (vs. clear inserts) that seem to allow the stamps to float off them after they are dry. I threw away the terrible one (after losing about 30 stamps that stuck to its pages), and have now ordered yet another type that I found for a decent price. Wish me luck!
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Post by Jerry B on Jul 5, 2015 15:28:07 GMT
Hi Katie I also use Desert Magic drying books. I started with the "half-page" size as that was the only thing available. Now I use the "full -page" size. After I put the stamps in them I weight drown the drying book with an old book. They last for a long time but not forever. Here is the link to Subway: www.subwaystamp.com/SHOWGARD-DRYING-BOOK-11-SIZE/productinfo/ZAGDRYT507/katie: Don't throw away the" bad" page. I have had stamps stick to an older book. Like you, I removed the page and put it back into the soaking bath. The stuck stamps came right off. Jerry B
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Post by rod222 on Jul 5, 2015 21:34:20 GMT
Well I tried my hand at DIY books using some or a combination of the methods above. Let's just say it did not go well. Clearly my DIY skills are as good as they are for home repairs. Then I bought a new drying book from Canada Post while ordering some postage from them, and I just HATE it, I think my DIY versions were actually better. Now I am longing for the book I was trying to replace. It has blotting paper and plasticized sheets (vs. clear inserts) that seem to allow the stamps to float off them after they are dry. I threw away the terrible one (after losing about 30 stamps that stuck to its pages), and have now ordered yet another type that I found for a decent price. Wish me luck! Good Luck Katie Heads up! perhaps so many that appear to "stick" would suggest incorrect soaking fluid? "Self Stick" stamps have aggressive gum, that only dedicated solvents will remove, they need specialised gum removal. Only water based gums are suitable for "drying books"
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Post by janetc on Dec 13, 2018 15:06:51 GMT
I tried the drying books. I also tried watercolor art books from the hobby shop that someone suggested on another forum. I didn't like any of these methods. Now I use old beach towels. I can do several layers at a time and then weight them down. They are dry within a couple of days.
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Post by paul1 on Aug 15, 2023 9:04:34 GMT
good morning - further to comments yesterday re my current mo for drying after soaking etc. ............ couple of pix attached showing stamps - laying on the interface material and part-way dried. Within reason, the only limitations to this exercise would be size of both the interface material and mdf for bottom and top supports /pressure. I decided that unrolling the UPU issues was too difficult and potentially damaging to the stamps - so I soaked and they're now included here and in the process of drying - I'd not realized there were so many, though expect I already have one or two of these sets already. Obviously I did re-cover the stamps after taking the snaps.
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Post by angore on Aug 16, 2023 10:18:29 GMT
I just the Desert Drying book.
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Post by daniel on Nov 10, 2023 19:00:09 GMT
I purchased a small lot of Cinderellas but when they arrived they were all stuck together . I told the seller and he refunded me the full cost and said I could keep then. So, I'll be doing some soaking for the first time in over 50 years. I purchased this drying book. I'll see how I get on.
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Post by hdm1950 on Nov 10, 2023 19:14:14 GMT
I purchased a small lot of Cinderellas but when they arrived they were all stuck together . I told the seller and he refunded me the full cost and said I could keep then. So, I'll be doing some soaking for the first time in over 50 years. I purchased this drying. I'll see how I get on. Maybe try putting them in the freezer for an hour first before soaking. It occasionally works. Once frozen try gently separating with your fingers. Worth a try daniel
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Post by kevinv on Jan 16, 2024 16:16:56 GMT
Hmm. This is different. I was shown to sort paper colours. to soak in warm/cool water. Use tongs to remove stamps from paper. place face down loosely on newspaper/paper towel or cardboard sheets. Let air dry. Place them into an album, bins or however you store them.
I am looking at your book idea, but would the stamps not get re-stuck onto the drying book?
To flatten the stamps we would place them between paper and a weight after they dried.
Thank you
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Post by daniel on Jan 16, 2024 16:29:46 GMT
Hugh's ( hdm1950) idea didn't work for me but thanks for the suggestion. So, I used an old, but clean, frying pan since it had a large surface area. The stamps floated off quite quickly and I left them to soak off any hinges and bits of paper. I dried off the excess water with a paper towel and then put them in the drying book, weighted down, overnight. This worked perfectly. Dealing with stamp that still had gum was more tricky since you need to remove the gum first by wiping it off. All in all, the results were very satisfactory. Daniel
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Post by stainlessb on Jan 16, 2024 17:16:59 GMT
I am looking at your book idea, but would the stamps not get re-stuck onto the drying book? To flatten the stamps we would place them between paper and a weight after they dried. Thank you The drying books (Desert Magic) has 'sets" of pages - a blotter (with some spares0 and a coated page. After soaking blot excess water (I use a cotton "barmaids" towel"), place stamp with the back on on the coated page, so the blotter is on the printed side. Close, place something heavy (some use large books, I have some steel stainless 3/8" plate that just about covers the drying book). I can usually empty the next day and stamps are dry and flat. If any 'stick" to the pages, slightly curl the page and the stamp will usually release a corner or side, and if it doesn't just fall off, I slide my tongs underneath. They are well worth the investment!
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Post by DrewM on Jan 29, 2024 22:20:45 GMT
I used to dry soaked stamps on paper towels until I found some of them sticking to the paper. That made me go back to dish towels again where that seems to happen far less often.
I've tried "drying books" but find their page size too small and too often the pages get wrinkled or warped until they're unusable. So I've settled mainly on using plain cardboard of the grey variety. Loading up a sheet of cardboard with stamps, then putting a second piece of cardboard on top and adding some serious weight (books, weights, old record albums . . . ) works wonders in forcing the moisture out of the stamps pretty quickly. Occasionally a stamp whose gum was not completely removed in the warm water bath I gave it will get stuck. Sometimes I can gently "pop" it off the cardboard. Other times, I cut up the cardboard (it's cheap) and re-soak it.
Neither dish towels nor cardboard seems easier or better -- just different.
One suggestion: Don't bother soaking all the stamps you have, but only the ones you plan to mount. If you don't need a stamp for your album, there's no point in soaking off the paper it's stuck to.
And one more suggestion: For modern self-adhesive stamps where the gum will not soak off, I spray Citrus air freshener on the back of the paper they're stuck to. Makes the room smell really nice and it lifts the stamp away from the paper fairly reliably -- without any harm to the stamp that I've ever seen. It's citrus oil which seems harmless enough. Also cheaper and likely less dangerous than chemicals. Or just clip the stamp close to its perfs and mount it attached to its paper. No harm in that.
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Post by JeffS on Jun 26, 2024 21:13:34 GMT
Does anyone else here use a microwave oven for drying a single soak?
I have found it to be a useful tool to speed up the process when impatience is knocking at my door. After pressing out the subject stamp between paper towels a couple of times, then pressing between album card stock, I find that a 20-second buzz in the microwave is 90% ( a guess) effective. To prevent curling, I put the stamp, between two fresh pieces of card stock and insert the sandwich in a section of an old-style card approval page prior to cooking to keep flat. I have also had good luck with a weight made of a small piece of 2x4 lumber (sorry, I don't know the metric equivalent.) I do make sure it is a dry piece of lumber as "wet" wood from the box-store could be problematic.
Note of Caution - I am not suggesting that a "gentle reader" (a term which I believe long-ago US newspaper advice coumnist, Ann Landers, would refer to her readers as) should try this without some experimentation with some cheap stamps. So far, most of my COGY triangles have had this drying procedure.
Success rate, 100%. (my only learning experience was with a Canadian foil stamp, that was not a success, but duh...)
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