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Post by gillmanjoe on Jun 29, 2015 5:12:14 GMT
I bought this cover (letter included) on eBay a year or so ago rather cheap. Main reason I bought it was its age, just thought it was really neat. it's a letter from 1857 from Pittsburgh PA possible #25 stamp, but there are many variations of that stamp. I don't know how to tell the difference in the stamps. if anyone could help me that'd be great
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Post by rod222 on Jun 29, 2015 11:13:21 GMT
I bought this cover (letter included) on eBay a year or so ago rather cheap. Main reason I bought it was its age, just thought it was really neat. it's a letter from 1857 from Pittsburgh PA possible #25 stamp, but there are many variations of that stamp. I don't know how to tell the difference in the stamps. if anyone could help me that'd be great It is neat! unfortunately, I cannot assist, US not my area. Others here may be. What may be? A James Ewing founded Wheeling West Virginia, (Being an Aussie, I immediately hear Neil Sedaka) www.ewingfamilyassociation.org/books/EwingEWR/ewr_Chapter_30.htm
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Post by tomiseksj on Jun 29, 2015 11:47:02 GMT
The 3c Washington, type I (Scott 25) has an outer frame line on all four sides. The outer frame lines at the sides are always recut, but the inner lines at the sides are not. Yours appears to be of this type but a higher quality scan of just the stamp would be helpful in confirming that.
The Washington, type II (Scott 25A) is the same as type I but the inner frame lines at the sides are also recut.
Types III (Scott 26) and IV (Scott 26A) do not have outer frame lines at top and bottom.
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Post by gillmanjoe on Jun 29, 2015 16:50:58 GMT
here is just the stamp very neat @rodd222
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Post by tomiseksj on Jun 29, 2015 17:21:18 GMT
In my estimation, your 3c Washington is a type I (Scott 25). I've included an image of a type II (Scott 25A) so that you could see what recut inner frame lines looked like. If you wouldn't mind, I'd like to see a scan of the letter that was included with the cover.
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Post by rod222 on Jun 29, 2015 19:35:27 GMT
Admin / Mods This lovely cover and thread, would sit more adequately now, under "United States : Classics" ? I hope I am correct to assume, your cover went through the front door of this home. I must say, a very handsome piece of American Architecture, just beautiful.
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Post by Admin on Jun 29, 2015 19:49:34 GMT
Admin / Mods This lovely cover and thread, would sit more adequately now, under "United States : Classics" ? I hope I am correct to assume, your cover went through the front door of this home. I must say, a very handsome piece of American Architecture, just beautiful. ... Thread has been moved to America Classics. Nice house.
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Post by gillmanjoe on Jun 29, 2015 23:49:22 GMT
here is the letter. talks about requesting Machines from ewing to brownsville, and something about spool. I can usually read older handwriting pretty well, but this one is spotty is sent from Alex R Reed That house is a beauty.
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Post by tomiseksj on Jun 30, 2015 2:13:13 GMT
Thanks for posting the letter. I agree that the Phillips-McClure house is a beauty but the National Register of Historic Places indicates that it was built circa 1875. I believe the address on the letter refers to the McClure House Hotel, built in 1852.
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Post by gillmanjoe on Jun 30, 2015 2:45:55 GMT
I should have known, as I used to be a historic preservation major..now that I look at it, that house definitely built later than 1857. here is a postcard with the McClure hotel, which im assuming is the correct building. reminds me of some buildings downtown that were built in the 1850s but turned into hotels/business places this one was built in the early 1850s. It is the old Sturdivant Bank building. funny enough Rush Limbaugh's father and grandfather practiced law right across the street from this building in Cape Girardeau Missouri. it was a bank, and also apartments/hotel for some time.
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Post by rod222 on Jun 30, 2015 4:08:42 GMT
Thanks for posting the letter. I agree that the Phillips-McClure house is a beauty but the National Register of Historic Places indicates that it was built circa 1875. I believe the address on the letter refers to the McClure House Hotel, built in 1852. I stand corrected. Looked good there for a while The pertinent info was McClure "House" Hotel. I am guessing again, I assume Ewing was a travelling representative for a machine company, staying at the hotel. Mr. Reed wrote there with his enquiries, frustrating he didn't elaborate on "machine" A spool with a "tension nut" could have been anything.
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Post by gillmanjoe on Jun 30, 2015 4:46:40 GMT
Thanks for posting the letter. I agree that the Phillips-McClure house is a beauty but the National Register of Historic Places indicates that it was built circa 1875. I believe the address on the letter refers to the McClure House Hotel, built in 1852. I stand corrected. Looked good there for a while The pertinent info was McClure "House" Hotel. I am guessing again, I assume Ewing was a travelling representative for a machine company, staying at the hotel. Mr. Reed wrote there with his enquiries, frustrating he didn't elaborate on "machine" A spool with a "tension nut" could have been anything. do you think it may be sewing machines?
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Post by rod222 on Jun 30, 2015 4:51:46 GMT
That is a very thoughtful idea, and a strong possibility. I was thinking the "machine" to be small and portable, but was left with a blank. I think you may have nailed it. Let's take it a step further, given the date, Leather work ? a machine for saddle and bridle work etc etc. wiki it does mention a "tension screw" !
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Post by gillmanjoe on Jun 30, 2015 5:06:26 GMT
ALEXANDER R. REED—Youngest son of James and Jane Ann Reed, was born in Washington July 9th, 1834, and lived there until 1849, when his father moved his family to Pittsburgh. Alex worked for his brothers and father as a jewelry, clock and instrument maker. Later he gave up this work and became a commercial traveler, following this business until 1859 when he went into the oil business, in which he has continued ever since. In 1861 he recruited a company of soldiers, drilling them in old City Hall, Market street, Pittsburgh, at the same time using City Hall over the market, as a living quarters until Camp Wilkins was formed and the company moved there as a part of the 77th Regiment under Col. F. S. Stumbaugh. Mr. Reed was made Captain of Company E and the Regiment was attached to General James F. Negley’s Brigade. The Brigade was sent to Gen. Buell’s Division of the Union army in Kentucky. Shortly after the arrival of the regiment in Kentucky, it was transferred to Gen. Wood’s Brigade and continued as a part of that organization for the remainder of its enlistment. At the expiration of his army service, Mr. Reed returned to his business in the oil fields. He was married three times, first in September, 1855 to MARY HEPZIBAH McMILLAN, of Allegheny. She died September 28th, 1867. Mr. Reed then married ELIZABETH STOUTENBOROUGH, of Brooklyn, N. Y. After a short married life Mrs. Elizabeth Reed died, and on June 29th, 1888, Mr. Reed was married in Wheeling, West Virginia, to Mrs. Anna S. Hoblitzell Cowan. Mr. Reed and his family reside on Breckenridge Avenue, Pittsburgh.
I beleive I found our sender worked as a jewelry clock and watch maker, would explain why he needed machines. also a Civil War veteran
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Post by rod222 on Jun 30, 2015 5:10:33 GMT
Philately can take you anywhere Bravo! well done you. Given the date, 1857, he was a commercial traveller I tend to think that supports early Sewing Machines. Specialty watch making machines ? would there be enough call to support ordering multiples? A watch machine with a "spool" ? sounds doubtful. Deliciously curious.
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Post by gillmanjoe on Jun 30, 2015 5:22:06 GMT
Philately can take you anywhere Bravo! well done you. Given the date, 1857, he was a commercial traveller I tend to think that supports early Sewing Machines. Specialty watch making machines ? would there be enough call to support ordering multiples? A watch machine with a "spool" ? sounds doubtful. Deliciously curious. ... I too would think the sewing machine would be a better fit since demand would be higher..it seems. here is some info on the troop he was in. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/77th_Pennsylvania_InfantryThe regiment lost a total of 319 men during service; 5 officers and 60 enlisted men killed or mortally wounded, 254 enlisted men died of disease. Mr. Reed lived until 1921, he was 87, seems like he had a very interesting life!
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Post by irishjack on Jun 30, 2015 12:43:44 GMT
Philately can take you anywhere Bravo! well done you. Given the date, 1857, he was a commercial traveller I tend to think that supports early Sewing Machines. Specialty watch making machines ? would there be enough call to support ordering multiples? A watch machine with a "spool" ? sounds doubtful. Deliciously curious. ... This one is up for debate I been reading a wee bit on clock and watch making, looking at early clock making machines and how they work its possible that the machine he is talking about is for making time pieces.
The date also indicates that the rail road was just getting started and what does every station need a clock. At the time wheeling was a major transport hub so maybe it was for clock making.
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Post by rod222 on Jun 30, 2015 19:50:00 GMT
Nothing wrong with a polite debate, Jack. It widens the consideration. I was watching "Antiques road show" recently, and a lass had a Fob watch, with no arm winder visible. These were made especially for railroads, one had to open the face, and move a lever, to engage the hands. To prevent accidentally moving the hands by the Stationmaster, whilst in his pocket.
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Post by AirmailEd on Jun 30, 2015 22:47:21 GMT
I bought this cover (letter included) on eBay a year or so ago rather cheap. Main reason I bought it was its age, just thought it was really neat. it's a letter from 1857 from Pittsburgh PA possible #25 stamp, but there are many variations of that stamp. I don't know how to tell the difference in the stamps. if anyone could help me that'd be great Note that the address is Wheeling, Virginia. Wheeling is now in West Virginia. The West Virginians split off from Virginia over secession, making the decision in 1861 in a convention at Wheeling. West Virginia became a state in 1863. Cool cover.
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Post by AirmailEd on Jun 30, 2015 23:06:24 GMT
(Being an Aussie, I immediately hear Neil Sedaka) The Sedaka song is not well known in the United States, Rod. This is a much better known West Virginia song here: Take Me Home, Country Roads
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Post by rod222 on Jul 1, 2015 2:21:17 GMT
The Sedaka song is not well known in the United States, Rod. This is a much better known West Virginia song here: Thanks Ed! Remember JD, especially Grandmother's bed. Now...Sedaka we need to educate you lot over there Wheeling West Virginia By the hit making machine (Written in Australia ) Hehehehe
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Post by AirmailEd on Jul 1, 2015 16:17:57 GMT
The Sedaka song is not well known in the United States, Rod. This is a much better known West Virginia song here: Thanks Ed! Remember JD, especially Grandmother's bed. Now...Sedaka we need to educate you lot over there Wheeling West Virginia By the hit making machine (Written in Australia ) Hehehehe I have to plead ignorance, Rod. Don't think I've ever heard that song. However, I did attend a funeral in Wheeling in 2004.
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