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Post by spain1850 on Jul 22, 2013 3:37:56 GMT
Let's see if this works. My main collecting interest is classic Spain, but even that can be a large area to collect. My favorite issues of the classic period are the 1855-59 issues. In the scan below you will see a selection of these issues. The top row consists of proofs of color. The second row are the issues of 1855, with watermark of loops. The next row are from 1856, watermark crossed lines. Rows 4-6 are the 1856-59 issues on unwatermarked paper.
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Post by spain1850 on Jul 24, 2013 16:02:19 GMT
Here is one of my favorite early Spanish issues: 12 cuarto blue and red, 1865
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Post by spain1850 on Jul 25, 2013 5:33:22 GMT
Imperf pair of the 50m violet stamp from 1868, normally perf. 14. it must not ever have been issued, as the Edifil catalog only gives a value for unused. Not listed in Scott, naturally.
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Post by Perfs14 on Jul 27, 2013 23:16:40 GMT
Very nice spain, I must admit that so far my interest in the issues from Spain has focused on their many beautiful engravings, like the work of José Toda and all those marked with just F.N.M.T. (Fábrica Nacional de Moneda y Timbre). My friend Roos did a very nice mini-exhibition on Toda, if he hasn't misplaced it, I hope that he will post it
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Post by spain1850 on Jul 28, 2013 4:03:37 GMT
Perfs, that would be awesome! Although my main focus is the earlies, I do have a general Spain collection as well and LOVE the engraved issues.
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Post by spain1850 on Aug 5, 2013 2:57:11 GMT
Haven't really been able to add much to my Spain collection recently. Here is one of the more recent additions however. Spain 5 RL from 1850 (Sc #3)
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Post by rod222 on Aug 5, 2013 4:26:16 GMT
That's beautiful, almost the perfect stamp, for that era, that's a socked on the nose par excellance.
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Post by spain1850 on Aug 5, 2013 4:53:41 GMT
That's exactly the reason the cancel was designed the way it is. At the time, The Queen thought herself a real "looker", so she made sure the new cancelling device could be applied in such a way to frame her image. Well, there weren't a lot of postal workers that cared that much so you routinely find them very poorly struck, at least with regards to NOT defacing the Queen's image. Apparently she gave up being vane pretty quick because within 2 years the standard oval grill cancel was in use (Examples of the oval grill can be seen in the original post).
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Post by spain1850 on Aug 20, 2013 18:35:44 GMT
Some issues of 1852 Pair of 5r and 2 with blue cancellations.
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Post by spain1850 on Aug 21, 2013 5:09:38 GMT
Issues of 1853: A scratch proof 185 regular issues (minus the 2 reales unfortunately) Block of 4 of the 4 cuartos. Although it's a relatively inexpensive stamp as a single, multiples are hard to find. 1 cuarto, for local Madrid use. Proof(?) of an unissued 2 cuartos stamp
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Post by rod222 on Aug 28, 2013 1:39:35 GMT
Cuba : Designer Jose A Medina. 29th August 1980 Propaganda Miniature sheet for the upcoming philatelic international ESPAMER '80 Sheet 93mm 54mm 310,000 issued.Stamp inset: "Clotilde paseando en los jardines de la granja" by Joaquim Sorolla y Bastida. Marginal decoration : Spain's First stamp the 1850 6c Black (socked on the virtual nose) The issue up close : Fake (owner:lithograving)
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Post by spain1850 on Aug 29, 2013 5:44:03 GMT
rod222 - That's a neat looking miniature sheet. I've not seen it before.
The Spain #1 fake on the bottom is attributed to Miguel Segui. At least that is what I understand.
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Post by spain1850 on Aug 29, 2013 5:49:36 GMT
I haven't had too much luck acquiring any new Spanish items recently, so I was ecstatic whan i was actually successful in my bidding on this block. It's from the 1856 issue with watermark of crossed lines (Scott #41). Another block to add to the accumulation I have. Some day I want to try some plate reconstruction.
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Post by jimjung on Sept 20, 2015 12:44:38 GMT
1873 Spain Newspaper Stamp Block of Four
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Post by jimjung on Oct 13, 2015 11:05:45 GMT
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Post by marking on May 6, 2020 13:19:54 GMT
Numbers based on Edifil Cat. Many of the classic forgers had a go at ALL the Spain classics Forgeries were mainly created to defraud the post office and secondly for collectors The most prolific and one of the best was Segui - most classics on auctions are his. They appear as singles new and used, as pairs and blocks 1850 Ed 1 Plate I Type 18 These are easily id as they were plated and the only problem is the Sperati forgery who copied one of the types 1850 ED 3 - note the slight bulge on the right side of the 8 - a genuine trait 1850 Ed 4 1851 ED 6 Type 5 (break in top right frame) - also all plated 1851 Ed 9 1851 ED 11
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Post by marking on May 7, 2020 15:40:42 GMT
1852 Ed 16 1853 Ed 17 Ed 18 Ed 20 1853 Ed 22 - only used for Madrid local post
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Post by cursus on May 7, 2020 17:18:08 GMT
First of all, let me say that I'm not, by any means, an expert on Spanish classic stamps. In fact, I'm not interested on Spanish stamps at all.
Nevertheless, I'm a philatelic from Barcelona (Catalonia), the city where Mr. Miquel Seguí Solivellas lived and made his "facsimiles" at the turn of XIX to XX centuries. This is a history that most philatelists of Barcelona, know.
Mr. Seguí, from Mallorca origin, was the manager of the "Lyon d'Or" the best restaurant of Barcelona around 1880/1910. On his restaurant, a group of wealthy and learnt philatelist used to meet and chat on stamps. Mr. Seguí, a very intelligent and curious man, became interested on "these small pieces of paper", for which these (otherwise sensible) bussiness men, paid so much money. He could not understand why they gave so much value to an object "so easy to imitate". Arguing and arguing, through the days, he made a bet with the leader of those philatelists, Mr. Sendra (a true expert on classical Spanish stamps), that he would be able to made an imitation of a stamp (he will call "facsimile") that could even frame Mr. Sendra and any other "experts".
To achieve his goal, he spent a lot of money, hiring top quality artists, engravers and printers. He sent his facsimiles to world experts (even to the magazine "L'Echo de la Timbrologie") and all experts detected that his imitations were not "the real thing" You may understand how distressed Mr. Seguí became. But, it must be stressed that he was aiming "to frame those stupid collectors" not to defraud the post. So, technicaly, he was not a forger. Only once, very enraged, he imitated a current definitve from the 1889 Alfonso XIII series, and posted on some letters from Almeria to Barcelona, without being detected. But, he did so with a handful of stamps. So there were not any consequences for him. When he died, his family sold the remaining facsimiles to the stamp market. Josep Majó Tocabens who had a stamp shop in downtown Barcelona, managed to assemble a stock of facismiles and when, in 1975 he wrote the book "Postas y Filatelia en la Barcelona del XIX" (Post and Philately on XIX century Barcelona")
He included a small selection of Segui's facsimiles as a gift with the book. He even limited the edition of the book to the Seguí colections available. The facsimiles are real ones and are afixed to two miniature sheets with hinges.
The book, is well known by Barcelona's collectors. I remember being offered the book, when it was just printed (1976) on the Filatelia Majó for the "princely sum" of 150 pessetes (less that 1 euro!) and not buying it, as by then, I was not interested.
Later, by 2010, I had to pay up to 90 € at a auctioner's house for a complete copy of the book. But, I managed to find a nice copy at Barcelona second hand market for just 9 € (five or six years ago). Just a question of luck. It's not the best written book but it's a hoard of histories on post, stamps and Barcelona.
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Post by renden on May 7, 2020 19:11:55 GMT
cursusGreat stuff from Catalonia !! René
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Post by cursus on May 7, 2020 19:13:14 GMT
Thank you Renden!
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Post by marking on May 7, 2020 22:57:15 GMT
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Post by marking on May 8, 2020 12:48:32 GMT
1854-the first without a royal figure Ed 26 with colored background Ed 28 Ed 33 later more common issue with white background Ed 34 Ed 34a - essentially a remainder with "barrado" cancel - inexpensive & common
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Post by marking on May 9, 2020 12:12:24 GMT
1854 Official Stamps full set Despite relatively low issue quantities, these are not expensive The max. weight allowed is indicated on the stamp #28-31 And a Segui Forgery
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Post by marking on May 10, 2020 22:00:38 GMT
1855 Issues Ed 40 Ed 41 Ed 42 NE 1a not issued
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Post by marking on May 11, 2020 12:23:31 GMT
1855. January 1. Coat of arms of Spain. Ed 35-38 Officials Printed in typography at the National Stamp Factory. The maximum weight of the object is indicated on each stamp (in ounces or pounds) Postal validity until July 31, 1866. Issued: 35: 39,890,600; 36: 30,760,500; 37: 10,853,500; 38: 6,740,200. Common and inexpensive other than #38 A common forgery despite low CV's - all crude looking Forgeries of low value stamps are generally not made to fool collectors but to defraud the govt.
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Post by stainlessb on Mar 10, 2021 18:44:02 GMT
Give this thread a bump! I won a stock book of early Spain stamps and among those that caught my eye were these newspaper stamps. I see an earlier post of an unused block of imperf four, but here also is a strip of 3 "perforated" (on the exterior at least) In the stock book they are listed as 221 and 221a (I haven't checked to see who's numbering system that may be)
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Post by stainlessb on Mar 10, 2021 23:06:15 GMT
here are a few more, and from reviewing the post from strat to now, I suspect at least at least some of these may be forgeries. But I am none-the-less pretty happy with this win!! If anyone wants individual scans let me know- (I am more in the collecting inventory stage at this point than learning about these- Need to get France and Belgium up to a 'setting "point "
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Post by stainlessb on Mar 10, 2021 23:17:04 GMT
what the heck! I thought these were also interesting
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Post by stainlessb on Jun 11, 2021 0:12:38 GMT
A small lot I received today Mi 12 and 12a (I think) and a Mi 14 labeled as a fake, it does appear a bit different (upper chin almost shadowed out) but I don't know enough about these to know for certain one way or the other if anyone would like a single scan of it let me know
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Post by stainlessb on Jun 12, 2021 0:01:50 GMT
Here's a closer look at the stamp from the previous that was identified as "fake" On closer look- the upper lip is \definitely different, the shading under the neck- I do see some other stamps that have the heavy shading so this may or may not be a clue- the year has the most variation from the 1852 on other stamps, and the dot both before and after the year seem out of place Anybody else see anything? I serached the web, but found nothing specific to this
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