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Post by michael on Mar 22, 2024 12:49:01 GMT
The Barbados Britannia stamps were printed at the same time as the Cape of Good Hope triangle stamps and would have used the same ink and paper. They are therefore also found and catalogued on both blued or white paper. So could the COGH experts including Beryllium Guy , JeffS and vikingeck please use their experience to confirm if they think the following is 'paper blued' or 'white paper'?
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hdm1950
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Post by hdm1950 on Mar 22, 2024 13:02:35 GMT
michael without having the stamp in hand I cannot say with certainty but based on your scan I am going with White paper. It is always more of a challenge with blue stamps than red or green to see the blued paper. Nice stamp.
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Post by JeffS on Mar 22, 2024 14:21:02 GMT
My opinion is white paper.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Mar 22, 2024 14:53:36 GMT
Thanks for your post, michaelIt is indeed a very nice stamp! I agree with Hugh ( hdm1950) and JeffS that it looks like white (i.e., non-blued) paper to me. I would also add that Stevenson's assertion is that blued paper can only be properly judged by looking at the back of the stamp. In your example, there is what I would call "blushing" of blue ink in the left and right margins of the stamp, which can only be seen on the front. I have observed that this effect is often misidentified as blued paper when it comes to Cape Triangles, and I don't know if that came into play when you bought your stamp. Congrats again on a great acquisition!  |
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Post by hdm1950 on Mar 22, 2024 16:47:50 GMT
Like the Cape of Good Hope triangles the blue paper is a challenge sometimes. I have these 3 in my collection that I consider to me to be blued paper and would be Scott 1,2 and 4. The Scott 4 (4p brown red) came with a 2009 APS certificate. To my eyes it is the least blue. The scan of the back does not due these justice. To the naked eye in natural light the blueness is more obvious especially when looking at with the later white paper examples.   |
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Post by michael on Mar 22, 2024 19:35:00 GMT
Thank you so much for the replies. Similar to COGH there is a blue (sg3) and deep blue (sg4) on blued paper and a pale blue (sg9) and deep blue (sg10) on white paper. Of course in reality there were many different shades of blue and probably many different variations of blueing and somehow dealers/collectors have to sort these into just 4 sg numbers. I've already had to return one 'dark blue on white paper' that turned out to be the remainder slate blue on blued paper (sg5a)! The seller said it was as described from a Spink auction but accepted the return. My next purchase looks correct, a pale blue on blued paper so I needed a dark blue one for comparison. The image from my original post was described by a very expert dealer as dark blue on blued paper (sg4) so I thought I couldn't go wrong by buying from an expert. So when I looked at the back and it looked very white and nothing like the 'blued paper' one above I posted here to see your opinion. As the white paper version is more than twice the catalogue price I won't be sending it back! I'm now a blued paper sceptic as well as a colour sceptic. :-)
PS Thanks for the scans hdm1950. I appreciate that natural light is the best but mine also looks white in natural light.
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Post by doug534 on Jun 11, 2024 20:17:24 GMT
My dad ran the Tanglewood Stamp Service (Tacoma, Washington USA) out of a room in our home until his death in 1957. I am now going through about 150 approval booklets filled with stamps that my mom put into storage in 1957. Most booklets contain anywhere from 70 to more than 100 stamps from a variety of British Empire or Commonwealth countries, from Aden to Zanzibar. My dad would mail them out to individuals who had contacted him (no solicitations) and then the customer would remove what he/she wanted. The customer would then mail the booklet back to my dad, including a check or money order to pay for the stamps removed. The booklets were insured during their transit in the mail systems. For each booklet, I am tallying the stamps and listing the countries represented and the stamp with the highest price. It seems most of the prices were 50% of the 1957 catalogue value. My 129th approval book was an interesting surprise: Only 25 stamps and all Barbados, and it included a number of "high priced" stamps--much more so than the typical approval booklet. I wonder if he was preparing the booklet in response to a particular request from an established customer.    The prices and other annotations are my dad's. |
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Post by anilkhemlani on Jul 3, 2024 16:48:54 GMT
I managed to pick up a couple of nice Barbados stamps  |
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Post by doug534 on Jul 26, 2024 21:18:46 GMT
This Barbados 1947 issue (Sc. #197A A21 3p deep blue) has the date 2/3/48 written across it. Would that writing and absence of a "regular" cancellation mean this stamp was used for revenue and not postage? Scott lists the CV for the unused stamp as 65 cents, whereas the used stamp is listed at $2.50, suggesting most stamps were not used for mail. Is there a rule of thumb for assigning a value to a stamp like this?  |
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Post by hdm1950 on Jul 26, 2024 22:32:46 GMT
This Barbados 1947 issue (Sc. #197A A21 3p deep blue) has the date 2/3/48 written across it. Would that writing and absence of a "regular" cancellation mean this stamp was used for revenue and not postage? Scott lists the CV for the unused stamp as 65 cents, whereas the used stamp is listed at $2.50, suggesting most stamps were not used for mail. Is there a rule of thumb for assigning a value to a stamp like this? doug534 You are correct in identifying it as a revenue usage. Sorry to report that for most stamps a revenue usage greatly reduces value. Scott sometimes will say on high value stamps that revenue usage are worth 10% of postal used examples. Your example would be considered a space filler by most collectors. |
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Post by hdm1950 on Oct 23, 2024 21:53:34 GMT
Third time is the charm. I had previously bought 2 of these stamps listed as Scott 159 with the script watermark only to find on delivery that they were the more common Scott 164. With this one the stamp is mint never hinged. It was hinged on the selvage. The centering is bad but I liked that the selvage edge was attached. This completes this set barring better examples coming along.  |
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