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Post by jamesw on Jan 21, 2017 22:36:19 GMT
Can any one i.d. this French stamp for me? I've got several on covers, 10c, 2Fr. Cant seem to see them in the Scott's catalogue. The use of the word FRANCE rather than Français suggests sometime around 1944-45. Are they occupation stamps? Am I looking in the wrong place? |
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Post by tomiseksj on Jan 21, 2017 23:19:22 GMT
The stamp was listed as Scott 476 in the 2009 catalog -- the design is OS2.
The note after the listing says these stamps were originally intended for use by the Allied Military government but the stamps were transferred to the Free French in July 1944. They were put on sale in liberated areas as the Allied armies advanced and on Oct 9, 1944 they were officially issued in Paris.
Someone with a more recent Scott catalog might be able to provide updated information.
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Post by jamesw on Jan 22, 2017 3:35:30 GMT
Ahh, that would explain it Steve. My Scotts is 2003. Maybe its time to upgrade.
Thanks
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Post by tomiseksj on Jan 22, 2017 13:25:14 GMT
The Allied Military Government stamps were formerly listed in the France BOB section as 2N1-2N20.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2017 16:19:22 GMT
There are 2 issues of these
Yvert does not give them a BOB status but as a Provisional Gov't issue listed with the regular issues
1944 - # 620-29 Litho perf 11, printed in US , numerals same color as the background
1945 - # 702-11 same as above but numerals printed in black
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Post by jamesw on Jan 22, 2017 18:20:55 GMT
Thank you both. If fact, falschung, I have some covers with both versions, so thanks for pointing that out.
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Post by hrdoktorx on Oct 22, 2018 16:58:47 GMT
Reviving an old thread, but I figured I could help with this one. The Arc de Triomphe series was printed in the USA and put in use by the French government from General de Gaulle as territory was being reclaimed from the Germans in 1944 and 1945. There are two series of ten stamps, the first one has the face value printed in the same colour as the rest of the stamp (YT#620-629), while the second one has the face value printed in black (YT#702-711). Here they are in their full glory.  |
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Post by blaamand on Oct 22, 2018 18:05:56 GMT
Nice stamps and an interesting history. Would be quite cool to find them postmarked with various dates, corresponding to the allied advance through France !
Most of mine are either mint or with messy and unreadable postmarks, unfortunately. Thanks for bumping this thread Xavier
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Post by hrdoktorx on Oct 22, 2018 18:15:52 GMT
Nice stamps and an interesting history. Would be quite cool to find them postmarked with various dates, corresponding to the allied advance through France ! Most of mine are either mint or with messy and unreadable postmarks, unfortunately. Thanks for bumping this thread Xavier Actually, in many cases, local towns used the Vichy France stamps they had in stock, overprinted with local variations of "Libération", "RF", the Lorraine cross which was De Gaulle's emblem, etc... It's a very rich area of French philately. I have a few things I will post. Actual covers from this period can be found, but at hefty prices as they are very sought after! I'll show the few I have (after I feed the kids and put them to bed). |
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Post by blaamand on Oct 22, 2018 18:27:31 GMT
Yes, please do so Xavier. In all my years of collecting only one single stamp of these liberation issues has found its way to my own collection ( and it's probably even a forgery...), so they are not exactly flowing around freely for general collectors 😊 (like myself). Quite sparse, and I dare to say they are more scarce than the Maury catalog price imdicates. Guess one need to do some more specific purchases to obtain them. I am sure many would love to see yours, I certainly would. Get them kids to sleep ...
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Post by hrdoktorx on Oct 22, 2018 20:05:05 GMT
Fantasy cover by a Paris stamp club, in 1970, featuring the 60c Arc-de-Triomphe issue. Although the postage rate at the time was indeed 60c, these were 60 new centimes, i.e. after the change to the new Franc in 1960, while the original stamp is in old Francs, so this cover is actually under-franked by a factor 100! No wonder it didn't travel.  |
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