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Post by perfs12 on Jul 22, 2013 13:48:13 GMT
Gambia, although a relatively small British colony, produced some iconic stamp designs. One of my favourite is the 1922 issue featuring a portrait of King George V and elephants.
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Post by Perfs14 on Jul 23, 2013 0:18:15 GMT
YUM! Is that my Christmas present?
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Post by roos on Jul 23, 2013 0:26:32 GMT
I have always like this series. I do have a few.
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Post by cjd on Jul 29, 2013 0:45:23 GMT
That is my favorite Gambia design, and one of my favorite KGV designs, overall. There were KGV definitives in the smaller denominations in another design that was unique to Gambia, with a similar theme, but smaller size. Here are two examples: The De La Rue key plate designs were also used. Here is a one-shilling of Edward VII:
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Post by zipper on Jul 29, 2013 0:58:44 GMT
Beautiful. I love them.
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Post by perfs12 on Aug 1, 2013 12:47:49 GMT
Some postal stationery... Gambia 1893 Postcard overprinted SPECIMEN
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Post by perfs12 on Aug 1, 2013 12:48:35 GMT
Gambia 1902 Postcard overprinted SPECIMEN
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Post by perfs12 on Aug 1, 2013 12:49:40 GMT
Gambia 1893 Reply Paid Postcard overprinted SPECIMEN
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Post by perfs12 on Aug 1, 2013 13:07:42 GMT
Gambia T.P.O. No.2 RIVER GAMBIA 11 JU 49 The first river boat provided by the British Government for service on the Gambia was the Wilberforce, a wooden paddle steamer introduced in 1843. It wasn't until 1922, however, that the first Travelling Post Office (T.P.O.) commenced operations on the river on the Prince of Wales. The circular date stamp (T.P.O. No.2) on the cover above was first used in 1924 on board the Vampire, whereas another CDS simply inscribed T.P.O. was used on the larger vessel Prince of Wales. This particular cover was probably posted on board Vic 20, an unsatisfactory small vessel purchased in 1946 and sold again four years later.
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Post by cjd on Aug 1, 2013 13:17:23 GMT
Thanks for the background accompanying the cover.
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Post by perfs12 on Aug 1, 2013 13:58:48 GMT
In 1951 a new vessel called the Lady Wright was put on the River Gambia service. This vessel featured on the 10s value of the new definitive set issued in 1953. Gambia 1953 10s. deep blue & myrtle-green SG184
Although the year date on the cover below is indistinct (probably 1960), it was probably posted on the Lady Wright. This particular CDS inscribed T.P.O. - RIVER GAMBIA was introduced on 17 September 1955 and was in use until 1966.
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Post by rod222 on Aug 1, 2013 14:05:33 GMT
Gambia 1869, Cameo Proof, Primary die impression 17mm x26mm, offered at auction 1993 for $2,500 Printed in sheets of 15, (3 rows of 5) , Typographed and later embossed. Printed by De La Rue (nearly beaten by the Berlin Printing works, showing their Heligoland stamps success) on unwatermarked paper.
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Post by cjd on Aug 1, 2013 14:21:32 GMT
When I was collecting as a kid, I thought that Gambia must have been a very wealthy colony to have gone to the expense of creating the Cameo embossed issue.
It wasn't until much later, when I started doing a little reading to go along with the little pieces of paper, that I learned that it was actually done as a cost-saving measure. DLR would have charged many times more to set up a traditional engraved two-stamp issue, and the typographed frame and embossing die ended up costing something on the order of ten pounds.
Stamp collectors can be eternally thankful that the first issue was going to be a small run of a two-stamp 'set' that forced a need to be somewhat frugal.
[edit: I just Googled a bit to see if my memory was correct, and Sandafayre has a similar story, but with higher numbers. They say the issue ran 270 pounds (though I suppose that could be all inclusive...I'm pretty sure I remember reading that setup was accomplished for ten pounds. If someone has the actual explanation, please add it.]
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Post by perfs12 on Aug 1, 2013 14:26:41 GMT
That is a fantastic item Rod222. According to JO Andrew ( The Stamps and Postal History of the Gambia), the cameo head used for Gambia was virtually identical to those used for the postal stationery of Ceylon and Mauritius. De La Rue estimated producing stamps for the Colony would cost £270. The dies for the Heligoland stamps had only cost £36. Confronted with the prospect of the Gambia having the dies produced in Berlin, De La Rue used an already existing master die from the postal stationery work and a simple frame with pantographed letters. On 2 February 1869 De La Rue invoiced the Crown Agents £10 8s 1d for producing the two plates and 9,840 stamps "packed in tin". St. Kitts (1869) and Labuan (1878) requested designs similar to the Gambian cameos, but were dissuaded by De La Rue.
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Post by rod222 on Aug 1, 2013 14:33:26 GMT
My we have some well read gentlemen here tonight, I must confess, my contributions are brought about by a simple "search button" Whilst not discrediting at all, the contributions of the aforementioned gents, here is a clipping from what? 1970's Australian Stamp Monthly magazine? Maybe possibly a Stanley Gibbons monthly. I cannot vouch for the accuracy. PS: I was tickled to see the word pantograph being raised, (simple things delight us philatelists) I was sure we had discussed these prior, in other forums, alas, I did not find any reference on my hard disk drive. (Now I cannot recall on what stamps the pantograph was used as well )
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Post by cjd on Aug 1, 2013 14:43:27 GMT
Thanks, perfs12. I'm glad my memory isn't failing me more than I know. I think Sandafayre has the story mixed up a bit (or at least they aren't telling it as clearly as it could be told).
I bet DLR dissuaded St. Kitts and Labuan...think of the revenue loss if that trend picked up steam.
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Post by cjd on Aug 1, 2013 14:56:01 GMT
Here is what Sandafayre says: I'm not knocking their site...they have a lot of information and some great eye candy. Here is the link to the Cameos article: www.sandafayre.com/philatelicarticles/gambia.htmlInteresting article, rod222. Thanks for sharing it. I can't help but roll my eyes at the last line, though. Gambia's (then-current) stamps are (were) sought-after for their broad thematic appeal. That's the most polite way you could possibly put it. I guess if you ran a stamp magazine back in the day, broad thematic appeal was a win?
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Post by rod222 on Aug 1, 2013 15:18:29 GMT
I guess, when we consider the third major dating acronym, "B.I" after BC and AD, B.I being "before the internet" The Gambia's stamps were fairly appealing (1922-1970) The stamps became pictorial, the monarch's head reduced, and pushed off to one side, and the central designs were squarely aimed at tourism, brightly coloured birds, elephants, yachts and boats etc, ergo "thematic appeal",
After the Internet (1980?) the appeal of exotic other countries began to wane (my opinion) and Gambia's stamp production went into riot, resulting in the 2004 Gambian Budget speech, revitalising the post, and specifically outlawing bogus Gambian stamps which had grown to mind boggling proportions. The Gambia today, in my estimation would have one of the biggest stamp catalogue lists, and would hold the record for stamps with very poor rate of usage. I haven't seen anyone yet do it, but I would suggest The Gambia would be a mighty collecting challenge, and an expensive one.
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Post by Perfs14 on Aug 1, 2013 22:36:48 GMT
Very interesting posts. It amazes me how simply and almost with no idea of the consequences for future philatelist stamps decisions were made in the 'good old days', quite unlike today when most postal authorities seem to print huge volumes of 'junk' just...for lil' ol' us, of more accurately for our money.
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Post by perfs12 on Aug 3, 2013 9:49:09 GMT
Gambia 1880 1½ grey Postcard on grey card 7,302 issued
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Post by comingfrom on Aug 10, 2013 0:51:40 GMT
cjd,
I noticed your Edward key plate appears to have a printing flaw. On his forehead, just above the eyebrow.
`Paul
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Post by cjd on Aug 10, 2013 1:03:45 GMT
cjd, I noticed your Edward key plate appears to have a printing flaw. On his forehead, just above the eyebrow. Rats! I'll have to find a new one now. I see this dent, but I think it common to the key plates, and other designs that use this head. Is that the mark you're thinking of?
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Post by comingfrom on Aug 10, 2013 2:48:53 GMT
Yes, that is the mark I spotted.
LOL. Yes you will.
And then you can give the flawed one to me, because I'm not that fussy. And I haven't got that stamp yet.
`Paul
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Post by jkjblue on Aug 10, 2013 3:06:16 GMT
1887 Scott 13 1p rose carmine SON: Bathurst, GambiaAll this talk about the Cameos of Gambia,and, except for a Proof image, no pics? So here is one....
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Post by rod222 on Aug 10, 2013 8:21:47 GMT
Lovely stamp jkblue. I can see a red line bottom LH corner, perhaps on a registered letter ? The stamp was seperately printed and embossed on letterpress machines. The male part of the die, was, incredibly! Plaster of Paris.
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Post by cjd on Aug 10, 2013 13:25:12 GMT
Cameos are frequently found with red cds cancels. If you can imagine an arc to the red line, that would be my first guess.
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Post by BC on Aug 10, 2013 15:20:41 GMT
Those embossed heads are great classics - that style was used on several colonies.
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Post by rod222 on Aug 11, 2013 0:57:10 GMT
cjd wrote: Cameos are frequently found with red cds cancels. If you can imagine an arc to the red line, that would be my first guess. Well done there cjd, excellent knowledge.
BC : Can you elaborate please? AFAIK Gambia was the only issue embossed, apart from GB stationery. or did I misunderstand you?
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Post by cjd on Aug 11, 2013 1:39:29 GMT
Ignoring embossed postal stationery, in terms of GB and BC postage stamps, I'm thinking of the handful of GB issues, and then Gambia and Heligoland. Am I missing an obvious one?
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Post by rod222 on Aug 11, 2013 6:12:31 GMT
Ah! apologies, I was thinking embossed in Blighty, (Great Britain) Heligoland was embossed in Germany)
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