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Post by Admin on Aug 15, 2013 12:35:55 GMT
As from now on you do not need to be a site supporter to use the B.S.T. section.
You will need to be a member for 14 days and have a post count of 50 quality posts to use the section.
You notice that members over 50 posts will have a BLUE STARS and members with less then 50 will have SILVER STARS.
I believe a B.S.T. is a important part of a stamp forum. We all love to trade and buy stamps and I encourage members to use this section.
At the moment I cannot install a clock that some other forums have that will timestamp a post. This makes it hard to run a auction. However we do have a way around this, if you want to run a auction you may do so by clearly stating the end time in GMT This is easy for all members to work out the end time in their time zone.
All I ask is that you be online at the time the auction ends and to use the shout box.
Say if the auction ends at 9pm, you will make a shout at 8:59 and if there a few bidders that wish to last minute bid then they can shout in the bids till the last man is standing.
Last minute bidding is not snipping on TSF. The other bidder has plenty of time to make a counter offer.
I snip all the time when buying I will keep my bid to the last minute, As a seller I also enjoy seeing a nice last minute bid or two.
If you wish to have proxy/mail bidding You are welcome to allow that option in your auctions. I will set up a account here on TSF my user name will be Auctioneer. If any one places a proxy bid in your auction the bidder MUST MESSAGE THE ACUTIONER MOD (me) with the sellers name, lot number, and proxy amount. This is make sure there is a record on file of all proxy bidding.
With proxy bidding if the top bid is say $15 and a member has placed a proxy of $50 for that item you may only increase it by the increments allowed. At the moment its $1.
One thing I always noticed on other forums that run auctions is there is no proxy bidding. This is a gain for both vendor and buyer. As a buyer you can place a sure bid but win for a lot less. As a vendor you will attract more bidders as they have a better chance of winning. It also allows for members to place a bid and not worry about time zones and being at the computer.
The Stamp Forum is only a venue for buyer and sellers and we take no respobablity . Please keep all personal information off the board. Remember we are a global forum, Mail may take a while to reach certain places.
I will be working on this as we go.
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Post by I.L.S. on Aug 15, 2013 12:49:35 GMT
What's a proxy bid? Is it a member bidding for someone else in their stead?
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Post by tomiseksj on Aug 15, 2013 13:51:53 GMT
Forum posts do eventually receive timestamps so there will be a record of the actual times that auction bids are submitted via posts. Within approximately the first 24 hours they appear such as "9 minutes ago" or "7 hours ago" but that may be too vague to determine if the bid was submitted before or after the auction closed. After that 24-hour window has past, the day, hour and minute of posts are reflected such as is shown in the below image.  In the event of a questionable auction outcome, I'd recommend that a the seller wait at least 24 hours beyond the auction closing time to be able to confirm when competing bids were submitted and announce a winner. |
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Post by Admin on Aug 15, 2013 14:17:38 GMT
How the proxy bid will work, Is the bidder places the maxuim amount he wishes to bid. If his bid is the winning bid it will be the second highest bidder price plus a set increment.
Example.
Auction with proxy bidding allowed ( if a member places a proxy bid he should place a open bid public for all to see) This way everyone that has taken part in the bidding has the option to place a proxy bid. I think this is fair and rules out a sneaky bid.
Irishjack is holding a auction lot123 (Proxy bids will have a $1 increment raises) If a bidder places a proxy bid with the seller he or she must post on the auction thread that they have placed a proxy bid. That way other bidder will have a chance to place a proxy or raise their bid.
(A PROXY BID MUST BE PLACED 24 HOURS BEFORE THE END OF THE AUCTION) This will give the other bidder time to respond.
A proxy bid is the same as a Maximum bid on eBay. The vendor will place a bid on the bidders behalf.
Bidder X opens the bidding at $5
Bidder Y places a bid of $7
Bidder X counter bids $9
Bidder Y PLACES A PROXY BID OF $30
Vendor will then raise the bidding to $10 on Bidder Y BEHALF (proxy BID)
Bidder X Places A PROXY BID OF $15
Vendor will then raise the bid to $15 on Bidder X behalf (Proxy bid)
Vendor then place a bid of $1 INCREMENT for Bidder Y
Bidder Y wins the auction for $16, even though his highest bid was $30.
Once the Auction is ended. The seller will announce that the auction was won by BidderY proxy bid and the item was won for $16.
In order to be able to place a Proxy bid in a auction you MUST have place a bid on the thread. You should place the proxy bids in by 24 hours of the end of auction, This way the Vendor will have time to post the proxy bids on the board.
The vendor may wait till the last few hours to do this.
After the auction The seller will post a screen grab of the proxy bids that the bidder sent them by forum message.
The bidders must also message the auction mod as well with the auction lot and amount.
This way if there is ever a dispute over the proxy bidding there will be a clear record of it.
Auction lots will be your username brief description and a lot number. Excample Irishjackpennyblacklot1
I recommend that each seller start with 1 and follow each auction with 2 3 4 and so on.
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Post by Ryan on Aug 15, 2013 14:29:03 GMT
Forum posts do eventually receive timestamps so there will be a record of the actual times that auction bids are submitted via posts. Within approximately the first 24 hours they appear such as "9 minutes ago" or "7 hours ago" but that may be too vague to determine if the bid was submitted before or after the auction closed. After that 24-hour window has past, the day, hour and minute of posts are reflected such as is shown in the below image. In the event of a questionable auction outcome, I'd recommend that a the seller wait at least 24 hours beyond the auction closing time to be able to confirm when competing bids were submitted and announce a winner. You can see the timestamp for each post by hovering your mouse pointer over the "9 minutes ago" / "7 hours ago" - a tool tip will pop up after a second or two that shows the date and time of the post. The Shoutbox post times work the same way, for that matter. Ryan |
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Post by Admin on Aug 15, 2013 14:37:01 GMT
I learn something new each day
Thanks Ryan
I do see one problem Its showing me the time stamp in my time zone. Are you guys seeing recent posts say a few minutes old time stamped in your time zone?
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Post by tomiseksj on Aug 15, 2013 14:46:23 GMT
I am seeing times in my zone, EDT. When a thread initially loads, the timestamp shows the relationship to GMT for a few seconds (see image below) and then it just shows the local time.  I don't see this as an insurmountable problem -- if an item is being auctioned with an established end time in GMT, all parties should be able to convert the close to their respective time zones. The key is that we have determined that there will be a documented audit trail of bid submissions relative to time/date. |
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Post by Admin on Aug 15, 2013 15:08:33 GMT
I think the best way is to use GMT as the end time of the auction. Its seems to be a good reference time for all members around the globe.
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Post by Admin on Aug 15, 2013 15:36:03 GMT
I installed a new world clock, this is the smallest I could find like this. It has 3 major time zones that most members will be able to use as a reference point. You can move them around to suit you, takes a bit of playing around.
I think all auctions should be listed with a London ending time. If you are in New York and want the auction to end at 9pm then the Auction will end 2am London time. Make sure you put a date on the auction and remember London will be the next day.
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Post by BC on Aug 15, 2013 15:44:14 GMT
Hey that is a better clock Jack. When I set it to Vancouver, it stays in that zone, even after a refresh.
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Post by Admin on Aug 15, 2013 15:47:01 GMT
That other one was not much use. This one better one clock 3 zones. I think everyone will be able to work out the times with it.
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Post by BC on Aug 15, 2013 15:48:56 GMT
What the? There the clock is, GONE!
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Post by Admin on Aug 15, 2013 15:54:32 GMT
The clocks still here
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Post by BC on Aug 15, 2013 15:57:21 GMT
Hmmm mine suddenly went away! I will log off and on again.
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Post by BC on Aug 15, 2013 16:01:58 GMT
Ok the clock is back  |
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Post by BC on Aug 15, 2013 16:03:18 GMT
What zone are you in Jack? Eastern?
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Post by Admin on Aug 15, 2013 16:06:35 GMT
Central Winnipeg
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Post by BC on Aug 15, 2013 16:08:04 GMT
Thanks, I embedded you in my clock  When I logged off and logged back in the clock kept my settings [thumbs up] |
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Post by Ryan on Aug 15, 2013 16:33:41 GMT
I think the best way is to use GMT as the end time of the auction. Its seems to be a good reference time for all members around the globe. I should point out that GMT is not the same as London time, not at this time of year anyway. Britain is on daylight saving time right now, so London is +1 hour from GMT. Here's a screen shot from wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/ :  Your upcoming auctions are scheduled to end at 3:00 AM London time, not 3:00 AM GMT. I'm not sure whether your world map has a way of showing GMT on it or not. Ryan |
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Post by Admin on Aug 15, 2013 16:40:17 GMT
If you click on western Africa or Iceland You will get GMT. I will let members judge tomorrows auction by looking at the count down clock. I think Maybe instead of GMT we just use London time in future. There are a few handy countdown clocks you can use that are in bbcode that you just copy and paste. Here are a example link to countdown clockHere is a example of one Countdown To test auctionIts very easy to do and makes the auction time remaining very easy to understand. |
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Post by Londonbus1 on Aug 15, 2013 19:51:55 GMT
This is all a bit confusing to an onlooker and so close to an auction.
I now have no idea when the auction will end. I had worked out that it would be 6am start [for me in Israel] now it appears to be a 5am end !!
How can one know when an auction is going to end ?
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Post by Londonbus1 on Aug 15, 2013 19:57:18 GMT
Sorry to be a dumbo.......can you explain this. I have been to auctions but am a confused by what was written:
BidderX opens the bidding at $5
BidderY places a bid of $7
BidderX counter bids $9
BidderY PLACES A PROXY BID OF $30
BidderX Places A PROXY BID OF $15
If bidderX is bidding in the auction, why would he submit a proxy/email/telephone bid? Or am I confused by the letters ?
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Post by Londonbus1 on Aug 15, 2013 20:04:20 GMT
By the way, the clocks on my computer are 20 minutes slow, but the message times are correct.
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Post by tomiseksj on Aug 15, 2013 20:10:25 GMT
How can one know when an auction is going to end ? My assumption has been that, given this will be a live auction, each lot will close when there are no further bids and Jack announces his version of "going, going, gone." I have also assumed that lots would be auctioned sequentially in the order he has them listed. |
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Post by Londonbus1 on Aug 15, 2013 20:44:57 GMT
OK, I understand that so maybe it's the wording of some parts of the posts I have read.
One cannot know at what time the auction [as a whole] will end. Ok, this one is relatively small but if there are, say 50 lots then you cannot give an end time.
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Post by Londonbus1 on Aug 15, 2013 20:49:30 GMT
And the new forum clock still needs batteries. It is saying the same time as it did a while ago [see my post about the clock] and returns to the same hour each time I change the page !!
it's a bit like my Pendulum clock just before it needs rewinding !!
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Post by rod222 on Aug 15, 2013 23:45:37 GMT
Michael, I often do that when I bid overseas, a proxy bid tends to take the heat out of the bidding, when one increases a bid by the raise option, it sometimes engenders a false sense of one-upmanship, exactly what the vendor wants. Add to that, a proxy bid is another way to take greed out of the bidding process for the buyer, if you set a personal limit, a proxy bid is one way to avoid getting tempted to overbid. With Romania, esp when I am desperate for a rare item, I place my best shot proxy, and just close my eyes and hope |
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Post by Admin on Aug 16, 2013 1:22:22 GMT
As Rod said it takes out the greed. But its still a advantage for the seller. Many bidders do not want to up their bid as it might start a bidding war.
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