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Post by Anping on Aug 3, 2017 23:30:51 GMT
Early last year I bought a second hand USB x400 magnification microscope. Although it arrived complete and in very good order, there was a problem with it. The inbuilt LED lights, which are supposed to have variable illumination, kept adjusting intermittently; and even shutting off.
I guess this is why this was sold off. I paid very little for it, so this is no great loss. When it worked, it did what I needed.
I have read countless reviews about the seemingly endless variations of these products, but just end up totally 'product blind'. There are so many similar products out there many of which are probably Chinese made clones. It would seem that many of these claim to have variable magnification, which is certainly untrue, based on user reviews.
Does anyone have positive experience of using a particular make/model? I only need this to accurately check for chalk faced papers, which means I need to get close enough to see 'cratering' or 'bubbling' of the chalk (clay) surface.
The variability and reliability of the LED illumination is essential. The unit must be able to sit firmly on a desk, and be capable of being fed a stamp and holding it flat.
I know that 'we gets what we pays for' as far as quality/price is concerned. But I'm looking for a happy medium here. I don't want to pay big money, which probably eliminates a true variable magnification option. And I don't need to see the hairs on the knees of a flea.
I'd be grateful for anyone's views.
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Wasn't sure where to post this. So please feel free to move it if necessary.
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Post by tomiseksj on Aug 4, 2017 0:38:36 GMT
I bought a USB digital microscope from a vendor in China and as you might expect, it works about as good as one can expect from a $2.99 piece of equipment. It often takes a good deal of fidgeting to get it to function but when it is working, I am able to view the items being magnified on the computer screen and also capture images that save to my hard drive. I'v found the easiest way to focus it is to have it sit flat on top of the stamp being examined. To eliminate the possibility of distortion I remove the plastic cover as shown below.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 1:09:53 GMT
My main hobby isn't stamps - it's actually astronomy and what you might call Microscopy. There are a lot of Chinese USB microscopes and some are quite good. Some of the best telescopes for the price come from China. Don't be fooled by claims of 500-1000 power it might magnify it but the quality will be @#$# 20 - 200x is max for good units. Not sure why you would even need more than 20-50x Also the less expensive ones will not give you a great picture and most are a max 2mp camera or less So depending on your budget and you want something of quality I would consider one from a telescope company that makes good optics. Celestron makes a great unit. - model 443085mp camera that will give you a 1600X1200px image and it has a 5 element lens (that's a very good thing) Shop around and you will find one for $60-$80 Lots of others out there that are decent -$25-$50.
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Post by firstfrog2013 on Aug 4, 2017 2:10:47 GMT
My USB scope was made in China but works reasonably well.At right around $30 with shipping I've been quite happy with it.I am truly tech challenged but managed to get the driver and my antique computer to function together fairly easily. Steve that's a nice trick I'll have to try.By the way stamps are somewhat reflective so some attempts are better with NO outside light source but the USB's LED
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Post by Ryan on Aug 4, 2017 7:19:46 GMT
Don't be fooled by claims of 500-1000 power it might magnify it but the quality will be @#$# 20 - 200x is max for good units. This is important! I can't remember the specs but I think the two main magnifications on my microscopes have generally been 60x and 200x. They will generally have a focus ring and you can hold the microscope well above the surface of the stamp to get a coarse view in focus - some microscopes are sold with a small stand that you can use to hold the device steady. You can also put the microscope directly on to the surface of the stamp, and that's when the two primary magnifications are used. They do have variable magnifications but only at the lower range, less than 60x, while holding the scope varying distances away from the stamp. Here are some screen grabs taken while using an older microscope I had. The first two are taken while holding the microscope above the surface of the stamp. I didn't get it in focus very well on the first shot, the second one is sharper. The final two shots are taken with the 60x and 200x settings. As you can see, the 200x setting is almost too magnified to be of much use. And a couple of shots with my current microscope looking at an engraved French stamp. Again, one shot is holding the microscope above the surface of the stamp, the next is with the scope touching the stamp at 200x - you can see individual paper fibres catching bits of ink, at this level of magnification every stamp would look unique and I find it's almost too extreme. Also, a shot of a photogravure stamp at 200x. I don't spend much time at all using the 200x setting. Spots, I see spots .... I was an early user of digital microscopes - I think I got my first one in 2005. I'm involved in a sport that uses proprietary steel that's been laser-etched by the steel mill with a logo, and I had given the international federation the info of my microscope provider at the time. They were able to spot a counterfeit etching (by tracing the path of the laser etching) prior to the 2006 Olympics, so it dates back at least to January 2006. I have this bookmark in my files for a company from Oregon and I have to assume they're the guys I was using back then. Can't remember for sure, though - that's a long time ago for my poor brain. Whoever it was, they were real nice quality, and pretty expensive back then too, there wasn't much of a market yet for them yet - it's tough being an early adopter of hi-tech stuff! They had the ability to automatically adjust focus to look at 3 dimensional stuff while keeping every part of it in focus. That was real handy for looking at those etchings because the surface of the steel is round but that version of the scope was pretty slow because it had to do all that figuring to come up with an image. That kind of feature isn't at all necessary to look at flat pieces of paper. My recent purchases have mostly been the "$1 + shipping" random things I can find on eBay, just to try them. I think I've had 6 of them over the years now, they're endless fun, looking at stamps and fabric and dead moths and everything under the sun. When using these scopes with an intention of looking at paper surfaces, note that the scope will often auto-adjust the brightness and they will often come up with "max white" on everything, losing the quality of the paper's surface when everything is so white. You can try experimenting with different lighting, especially if your scope has a clear plastic shield around the lens like Steve's example photo shows. You can turn the internal LEDs low (or off) and use an external light source to light the stamp from the side - this can give you more "structure" to the surface of the paper. I use a little LED flashlight lying on the table on its side. You can also try to work with settings on your scope to stop it from doing the automatic exposure adjustments, or you could post-process the image afterwards to try to come up with a better look at the paper surface. You might find that you can identify chalk-surfaced paper more so by the quality of the printing impression rather than by being able to see the paper's surface (if there are individual fibres catching ink, like can be seen on my example, then it must be normal paper whereas chalk-surfaced paper should give a much cleaner printed impression). Ryan
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Post by angore on Aug 4, 2017 10:34:56 GMT
I would like to get a USB microscope. When I was doing my initial shopping, it looked like a significant majority were all from the same manufacturer with many resellers.
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Post by Anping on Aug 4, 2017 11:16:36 GMT
Thank you all for your very helpful replies. The model shown by tomiseksj , looks very much like the one I have at the moment. It would seem that the main criticism of these small usb units is their weight. So many users complain that due to the lightweight and inferior plastic construction, most don't remain static when adjusted and so can't retain focus. This I have found with mine. I have had a look at the Celestron as recommended by @falshung . Surprisingly, this can actually be bought in the UK, but as usual here, we get spanked by import duties. The cheapest for the 'pro' model is £100. The nice feature is the 'snap shot' button which is not on the body of the scope itself. Obviously the 5mp camera capability is a considerable improvement on the others. Ryan said: You are undoubtedly right. However, I have done very little of this type of identification and don't really have enough experience to be certain of what I find. I need to be absolutely sure about some of my GVI HK collection because the catalogue pricing between some chalk faced papers and ordinary are extreme. Expensive mistakes can easily be made. See a couple of examples below:
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Post by jimjung on Aug 5, 2017 23:29:16 GMT
I have heard that the Proscope is quite good, although I don't use one at the moment. I would enjoy having one though. Here's a review of the Proscope from a philatelist who specializes in re-entries. As for myself, I find that sometimes I need something that is portable, at Stamp Shows or Auction Viewings, etc. I use a handheld magnifier with LED lights and a 55x microscope in the barrel. It's cheap but when I put new batteries in it, I can really see the bumps on the surface of the paper. No camera though which is why I'd like the microscope.
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Post by brightonpete on May 26, 2018 14:30:07 GMT
Here is the microscope I bough a while back. The Celestron InfiniView 5MP unit on a rather messy desk.. Overpaid for it, but I like it. Here are a couple of sample images. Did I really need to buy this? No. It's just another techie toy to add to me collection! My only issue with it, which would be for any of these... stamps curl. So part of the image is in focus, while the rest is a blur. I placed a piece of stamp mount, which you can see in the photo to hold down the stamp. That helps, but makes it a tad difficult to get the stamp aligned exactly where you want it. That hand-held scope looks great in that regard. I was thinking of getting a square of exhibition glass, but it is thick & would prevent extreme closeup focussing. Besides, I'd probably break it anyway!
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Post by angore on May 26, 2018 14:51:02 GMT
I also have the Celestron USB microscope. I like the fact you can use untethered or tethered to capture. The image quality is not at the top of its class but more than good enough. My model has auto exposure and tends to come out slightly dark. There is an illumination adjustment but the image will adjust to compensate. I just run it on max with stamps.
It is great for close ups and measuring year dates widths. No regrets and actually wish I needed it more.
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Post by Bombadil on May 26, 2018 15:15:27 GMT
I have been considering getting this portable model, am traveling soon and a scanner may not be available at all times.Also the price is tempting(i think) ! Includes 2.4 inch color LCD screen .. Runs on 2 AA batteries. Built-in 3 MP CMOS sensor for capturing snapshots 1x-3.7x and 54x magnificationAdjustable 6 LED ring illumination Includes 2 GB SD card pre-loaded with sample microscope images. 128 MB internal flash memory. what do you guys think ? has anyone tried this device before ?
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Post by brightonpete on May 26, 2018 15:24:50 GMT
That looks pretty good. Nice that it comes with an SD card. I have to supply my own. Mine also runs off the USB cable or wall plug. So having batteries makes it that much more portable.
If you get it, let us know how it works.
I'd also opt to get it long before you travel, so you can get to know it better. Nothing like trying to figure something out when you really need it!
Good price too!
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Post by tomiseksj on May 26, 2018 17:36:53 GMT
Celestron currently has what appears to be an equivalent item ( COSMOS 3MP) on clearance for $39.98 (down from $109.95) but they are only shipping it to U.S. addresses. You can view the item's instruction manual here. There are no reviews posted on the Celestron site but there are on Amazon which may be viewed here.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on May 26, 2018 20:30:30 GMT
I have been considering getting this portable model, am traveling soon and a scanner may not be available at all times.Also the price is tempting(i think) ! what do you guys think ? has anyone tried this device before ? I agree with brightonpete, Jad, I think that this seems like a good deal, and it has some real advantages going for it. I would be tempted to try it! Disclaimer: I have never used this device, so my "advice" such as it is, is purely speculative. I also use a battery-operated hand-held microscope, but mine is so old that it is purely analog and offers no way to capture the images. Still, it works.... Sorry for not being more of a help to you!
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Post by Bombadil on May 26, 2018 22:44:10 GMT
Thank you everyone, after going through the Review pages Steve kindly provided .. the Celestron i showed is a "NO,NO.." for scanning! Perfect for focusing and magnifying and snapping a focused area , but not for scanning or taking a full size picture of the stamp . I found this much more convenient solution, that can even help me a lot in my daily life ,but a little bit pricey 150$ . I will keep searching maybe i will find a similar Mini scanner that is more affordable.
Flip-Pal mobile scanner
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Post by brightonpete on May 27, 2018 1:25:32 GMT
I have a Canon ILC camera with a macro-focussing lens. It does a reasonable job at getting a close up. You can get a very large image close-up of what you are interested in. Here is a quick sample... I haven't used it very much, hence only part of the stamp is showing. I need to stop with stamps for 5 minutes and figure out this lens! That was hand-held, which is pretty good for me, since I am always moving about. The original image is 6,000 x 4,000 pixels in size. Maybe something like this would be all you need. It all depends on how you want to use it.
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Post by Bombadil on May 27, 2018 2:16:36 GMT
brightonpete thank for taking the time to explain. My main use will be to take decent scans(600DPI-1200DPI) of stamps or documents. When i first joined TSF i used my Iphone 6s camera, i developed some techniques to take detailed pictures using a fixed-mini iphone tripod, that worked fine for most of my posts but colors/shading and light reflection was always a problem, each picture took several trials and some occasional anger bursts.Finally last few month i figured out how to tune my 3in1 HP deskjet to higher resolutions, and since then i've been enjoying using it.
With my traveling plans coming ahead, after i reach my final destination i will be moving between apartments/hotels for the first two month, so buying a normal size Scanner to drag around behind me is not an option. I will keep searching, am sure i will find something convenient at a good price.
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