bobby1948
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Post by bobby1948 on Aug 4, 2017 17:35:44 GMT
Many sellers, when describing a used stamp, refer to it as NH (and sometimes NG as well). Since the stamp is used, how can they affirm that it is NH since it could have been previously hinged and then soaked to remove evidence of the hinge? Perhaps NH means something other then "never hinged" when used in reference to used stamps?
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tomiseksj
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Post by tomiseksj on Aug 4, 2017 20:29:29 GMT
I imagine that what they are really saying when describing a used stamp as "NH" is that the stamp's reverse shows no sign of either hinge residue or remnants.
If I were to describe such a stamp, I might just say that "the back is clean." If I was showing an image of the back, I wouldn't say anything at all.
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Post by smauggie on Aug 4, 2017 21:12:36 GMT
I would assume the back is clean and the stamp sound, and for the seller to make it clear if it was not.
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Post by Anping on Aug 4, 2017 22:04:15 GMT
Bobby,
I was looking at some auction stamps on 'another' forum just yesterday and the seller described his used stamps as NH. Which in that context suggests to me that they had 'no hinge'; or in other words the hinges had either been removed or never had hinges attached. Either way this is of no consequence to me.
Here in the UK, the term NH for used stamps is virtually never used and seems to have emanated from across the pond. I just find the use of NH an unnecessary distraction because it seems to mean something different to different people.
Perhaps someone could explain what the obsession is with hinges on used stamps anyway as this has always puzzled me; particularly on low value stamps. Is this some relatively new fashion or fad which has gathered momentum?
I would accept that there are exceptions in instances where a used stamp has a hinge that might be disguising a fault. But then again more often it is the gum remainder and foxing (rust) that could have more of an adverse effect. In that instance I would want that to actually be mentioned in the description and ideally accompanied with a scan.
Just my 0.01534 pence worth (at current exchange rate).
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bobby1948
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Post by bobby1948 on Aug 4, 2017 23:47:39 GMT
Perhaps someone could explain what the obsession is with hinges on used stamps anyway as this has always puzzled me; particularly on low value stamps. Is this some relatively new fashion or fad which has gathered momentum? Puzzles me also. I avoid hinging mint stamps to preserve the reverse side's condition ( NOTE: I am not a "purist" and use the term "mint" to mean the stamp is unused, without fault, with full original gum, although it may have been previously hinged; a purist (correctly) uses "mint" to mean "post office fresh" with pristine gum) but used stamps do not warrant this consideration (unless I am out of "quality" hinges, in which case I will use a mount). It is my belief that this "obsession" came about with the overall decline in quality of stamp hinges. I still have unopened packets of "Denison" hinges (carefully hoarded) so my feelings here are probably tainted by my good fortune.
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tomiseksj
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Post by tomiseksj on Aug 4, 2017 23:59:45 GMT
I dislike having more than one hinge on the back of a used stamp as a build-up can prevent the stamp from lying flat in my album.
For the most part, I'll soak all used stamps that I receive to remove the debris that may have accompanied them.
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Anping
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Post by Anping on Aug 5, 2017 0:38:15 GMT
( NOTE: I am not a "purist" and use the term "mint" to mean the stamp is unused, without fault, with full original gum, although it may have been previously hinged; a purist (correctly) uses "mint" to mean "post office fresh" with pristine gum). Well you may have stirred up another pot of treacle there.... The misuse of the term mint drives me to distraction too. Descriptions like (and I see these every day on eBluff), "Mint, NG (meaning no gum), trimmed wing margin (or trimmed perfs)". Well it ain't bleedin' mint then, is it?
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Post by Anping on Aug 5, 2017 1:15:23 GMT
Descriptions like ...,"Mint, Hinged". From an old listing I saved: You know, I hadn't realised how versatile a $1000 stamp could be. You can write down all the wallpaper hanging calculations AND wipe up that coffee stain too. PS. I've just realised I'm derailing this thread, from 'Significance of NH.....' Oh dear!
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Post by coastalcollector on Aug 5, 2017 1:20:54 GMT
The description of a hinged used stamp does not make a difference to me. If it truly has a hinge piece remaining or was previously hinged with evidence on a used stamp, generally, it can be easily removed with adhesive release agents or soaking in water for a short period (so as to not fade the stamp or cancel anymore). For release agents I keep a supply of Stamp Lift Fluid and UHU Briefmarken Loser
Also for those who collect pristine Cancel To Order (CTO) used stamps, they do not want the gum disturbed like mint stamps with no previous hinge marks.
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Anping
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Post by Anping on Aug 5, 2017 1:28:22 GMT
Also for those who collect pristine Cancel To Order (CTO) used stamps, they do not want the gum disturbed like mint stamps with no previous hinge marks. Well, thank you for my 'fact of the day'; I never knowed that. I had assumed collectors soaked CTO's to remove the gum.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Aug 5, 2017 8:42:50 GMT
Also for those who collect pristine Cancel To Order (CTO) used stamps, they do not want the gum disturbed like mint stamps with no previous hinge marks. Well, thank you for my 'fact of the day'; I never knowed that. I had assumed collectors soaked CTO's to remove the gum. I also never heard of collecting CTO stamps with pristine gum, but it doesn't seem all that surprising given the "NH" mania in general. I can also recall reading in a book about stamp collecting years ago that removing gum from CTOs was a recommended practice.
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bobby1948
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Post by bobby1948 on Aug 5, 2017 13:48:36 GMT
I started this thread because I was genuinely curious about whether I was missing some cues regarding the use of NH vis a vis used stamps, and it seems I wasn’t. I am not trying to police language usage on the internet (Wow, what a full time job that would be!). From the discussion generated by my initial post, I gather that it is generally agreed that it is up to the individual to read and filter a seller’s affirmations as they relate to the individual buyer’s needs, requirements and interests. That a person uses descriptors such as NH, NG, mint, et alia, incorrectly can usually be ignored as long as one is confident that the seller’s philatelic competence is not subject to dispute. I place bids on many sellers’ items where the description is technically incorrect because I trust that particular seller’s overall competence and feel I can overlook his/her poor choice of such nomenclature.
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Post by Ryan on Aug 5, 2017 22:40:17 GMT
Also for those who collect pristine Cancel To Order (CTO) used stamps, they do not want the gum disturbed like mint stamps with no previous hinge marks. Well, thank you for my 'fact of the day'; I never knowed that. I had assumed collectors soaked CTO's to remove the gum. This is apparently especially true with Chinese collectors, who prefer CTO stamps over postally used. You'll see listings specifying CTO-NH - here's a screen capture nabbed from Alibaba (which itself links to an Amazon listing from an American dealer, but I could get quotes from 1063 other suppliers if I wished ...). Ryan
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