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Post by tobben63 on Aug 26, 2018 4:06:14 GMT
I have some Italian classic cover I would like to show. The first has been sent from Milano Staz. (Station as in railway station?). Cant read the date, but I think it was sent in 1866. The stamp witch I think is Mi25II is canceled with number cancel 181. I don't have any resource or catalog to tell me what 181 stands for? The destination is Mantova. 
On the backside it has a "arrived" cansel (what is the right name?) witch says MANTOVA 15/11. Is this just the date? no year.  |
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Post by tobben63 on Aug 26, 2018 4:17:08 GMT
Next one is Sent from Milano 27 mars 1866. also sent to Mantova. The stamp is Mi20, QUARANTA CENTESIMI (40 cent) issued 1863. The address is X-ed out? Wrong address? And there is no return address.  But the backside has some More cancels, hard to read. One says MANTOVA 28/3? the two others I cant read, maybe the upper one says 1 ?  |
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Post by tobben63 on Aug 26, 2018 4:24:31 GMT
The last one this time Is also sent from Milano to Mantova. The stamp(Mi26, issued 1867) has a nice 17 canel (what are those cancel named?) Side canceled with ordinary date cancel, 19 apr 68 (I think)  The backside Has an arrived cancel MANTOVA 20 apr 68, the next day.  |
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Post by tobben63 on Aug 26, 2018 4:25:54 GMT
If you have anny information or comment on these covers, please post them.
Also post your Italian covers an tell us what you know.
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Post by tobben63 on Aug 26, 2018 4:37:55 GMT
Ok, two more  But those two don't have that nice cancels. But both are sent to MANTOVA? Stamps are 1: Mi26 2: Mi16 One more thing. All those five covers have the stamp on different places.  |
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Post by blaamand on Aug 26, 2018 6:27:02 GMT
That's some adorable classic covers @tobben - thanks for sharing You're asking the name of the numeral postmark with dots in square around it. The Italians calls it "Numerale a Punti", Numeral in dots. The Italian Barred numeral is called "Numerale a Barre" Go to THIS SITE to find the name of the post offices for the Italian numeral postmarks. Jon THIS SITE gives useful general introduction to Italian postmarks, use Google translate... |
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Post by tobben63 on Aug 26, 2018 9:13:39 GMT
Thanks a lott blaamand |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2018 14:54:46 GMT
I don't have any resource or catalog to tell me what 181 stands for? The destination is Mantova. I have an old Italian Postmark listing from 1933 and..
181, 3 possibilities -can be the Milano central station. It can also be rail and/or first class mail
17 indicates (Milan Raccomand.) which may be Raccomandata? or Registered. Also seen in blue or red 4500 numerals are listed!
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Post by blaamand on Aug 26, 2018 16:55:51 GMT
@falschung - Very interesting stuff, I would be very interested in that publication if it can be shared 😉
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Post by tobben63 on Feb 15, 2019 13:26:24 GMT
I got a big box filled up wit various stuff today. This I did find interesting. I have no knowledge of cencurpost. Lots of stuff to identify here.   |
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Post by rex on Apr 11, 2020 9:51:17 GMT
I have some Italian classic cover I would like to show. The first has been sent from Milano Staz. (Station as in railway station?). Cant read the date, but I think it was sent in 1866. The stamp witch I think is Mi25II is canceled with number cancel 181. I don't have any resource or catalog to tell me what 181 stands for? The destination is Mantova.
On the backside it has a "arrived" cansel (what is the right name?) witch says MANTOVA 15/11. Is this just the date? no year. . .. stamped letter for one port Milano stazione ( yes railway station) to Mantova, posted on the 14 of Nov 1866 arrived to Mantova on the 15. The stamp is the 15 cent of king Vittorio Emanuele II of 1863 ovpt in 1865 to 20 cent. This stamp is called amongs collectors ''ferro di cavallo'' (horseshoe) . Thereare 3 different variety . 181 I think but I don't have a catalog with my right now, is the number of the cancellation stamp of Milano railway . |
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Post by rex on Apr 11, 2020 10:42:30 GMT
Next one is Sent from Milano 27 mars 1866. also sent to Mantova. The stamp is Mi20, QUARANTA CENTESIMI (40 cent) issued 1863. The address is X-ed out? Wrong address? And there is no return address. But the backside has some More cancels, hard to read. One says MANTOVA 28/3? the two others I cant read, maybe the upper one says 1 ? About this I'd like to make a guess, the letter is sent to a Marchese (marquis) Annibale Bavriani ...? at Palazzo Bavriani. Consider that the Marchese was a very well known nobleman and Mantova not a huge city in 1866, so the letter was delivered to a different address . .the same day .without the .need to write down the new address or collected at the post office by a servant. I want to say it again is only a guess  . Of the 40 cent exist two runs : one from London by De la Rue and one from Turin Officina Carte Valori . |
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Post by rex on Apr 11, 2020 13:05:57 GMT
The last one this time Is also sent from Milano to Mantova. The stamp(Mi26, issued 1867) has a nice 17 canel (what are those cancel named?) Side canceled with ordinary date cancel, 19 apr 68 (I think) The backside Has an arrived cancel MANTOVA 20 apr 68, the next day. They are called numeral cancellations, used by the post office of the kingdom of Italy between 1866 and 1889. The cancellation was formed by a number surrounded by bars or by points. The number show the starting point of the missive because it was different for each council . |
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Post by rex on Apr 13, 2020 12:47:26 GMT
Little cover for one port from Varese to Monza of 8 Jun 1900 with 20 cent orange Umberto I Sassone n.61 Kingdom of Italy,   |
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Post by rex on Apr 13, 2020 13:30:21 GMT
I know it is of no philatelic interest but in this case we have the recipient's face. Monsignor Bignami Cav. Pietro Cappellano (Chaplain) della Real Casa (in this case Savoy House) indeed the palazzo reale is at monza. From a portrait oil on canvas of the painter Tranquillo Cremona. ..  |
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Post by rex on Apr 29, 2020 9:56:17 GMT
Advertising stamps.. Sassone n.16 It is the least catalog value stamp, not frequent to find it on cover at least recently.    |
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. Of the 40 cent exist two runs : one from London by De la Rue and one from Turin Officina Carte Valori .