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Post by jamesw on Sept 1, 2018 21:05:55 GMT
This is an example of how you should REALLY look at what you're buying. Drove about an hour today to a dealer to unload a bunch of stuff - covers and stamps. In return I picked up some nice tobacco stamps (shown elsewhere) and and interesting British stampless cover (shown elsewhere) and this. I purchased this cover because I had never seen this sort of stampless post mark before. I thought my Boggs would explain it to me. Once I got it home and scanned it, I realized, this 'rubber stamp' postage was actually drawn in pencil! I'm putting this thread under Canada, because the dealer did have other covers addressed to James Templeton London U.C., but really I think this could have come from anywhere. The dealer did have this marked as 1857, though there are no dates on the envelope. To be fair, he told me this cover, and all the other stampless he had were part of his father's collection. Dad was also a dealer. So I'm sure he's not pulling a fast one on me. But I should have noticed the denomination - cents. Canada didn't start using decimal currency until 1859. But this could have come from the US, right? It does sort of look like a Confederate provisional (though it's not). So there you go. Buyer beware. I could take it back, but it's a two hour round trip! I may email him and let him know, but I think I may keep it as en example of philatelic chicanery! Who knows what it's story is.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2018 23:05:37 GMT
It wasn't uncommon for US letters normally prior to 1857 to have the postage hand marked. These examples are from auctioned covers. However what is missing is a date/location stamp which these had to make it legit.
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Post by jamesw on Sept 2, 2018 2:42:13 GMT
Yes, no postmark with a date is the problem here. I have lots of Canadian and US covers and folded letters with script postage. But this postmaster must have been having a slow day to take the time he did. He even offset the 'S' in CENTS to look like the indicia slipped. And the rate is curious. If it is from the US, rate was 5¢ from 1845 until 1855, when that became the unpaid/collect rate, but that only would have paid its way to the lines, or the border. No Canadian postage to London is shown. Curious, to be sure.
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Post by jamesw on Sept 5, 2018 0:41:34 GMT
The more I look at this, the more I think it most likely this did not originate in the States, as I first speculated. Looking at Canadian rates, starting in 1859, with the start of our decimal currency, the surface letter rate was 5¢ which lasted until April 1 1868. Sadly without a real postmark, this cover will remain no more than a curiosity.
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Post by jamesw on Sept 7, 2018 2:52:37 GMT
Here's an interesting update on this one. A member on SCF provided this link. Ever heard of the Boscawen postmasters provisional? I know I never had. www.sheaff-ephemera.com/list/boscawen/It would appear the story of this unique stamp appeared in philatelic journals as early as 1897 and 1902. Who ever created this cover could have seen it in one of those publications and doctored this otherwise innocent cover. I guess this one is also unique, when you really think about it.
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Post by jamesw on Sept 16, 2018 19:48:37 GMT
I guess the life lesson mentioned in the title of this thread is that I could never run for political office. I 'flip flop' like a landed trout! I've decided, now that I have a little bit of a story on this item, to hang on to it. I have contacted the dealer and he kindly said to return it, no problems, but I think instead I my run up there in the next week to two and check out other covers he has addressed to Mr. Templeton of London, to get a rough idea on age of this cover. Also, I've contacted Mr Sheaff, who owns the ephemera website above and sent him a picture. He was quite intrigued, and has included it in he's virtual collection. With a little more research this might make an interesting album page!
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