Ryan
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What I collect: If I have a catalogue for it, I collect it. And I have many catalogues ....
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Post by Ryan on May 1, 2020 18:49:04 GMT
I wish I knew exactly what it looked like!  There sure aren't very many good images of stitch watermarks on the internet. Here's one of the few I've found which is more-or-less clear - I've nabbed it from the DGL Philatelics page on Nova Scotian 10 cent stamps. As with most watermarks, sometimes they're almost impossible to see without some sort of detection aid, but sometimes you can see them fairly easily.  The Canadian Stamp News has an article which goes into some detail about how stitch watermarks are formed. Have a look at that - it explains how the watermark is essentially accidental in nature. They've been found on Canadian stamps right up to the KGV Admiral era, so certainly any German States issues would have the potential for stitch watermarks, I would think. Ryan |
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Post by marking on May 1, 2020 19:47:17 GMT
if anyone has one of the watermarked ones, please, please show me what they look like - I'm yet to find any I've heard it said that all the genuine ones are signed by now, but it seems that's just not true 1. I would be concerned with any German "signed stamps". Look up Blum Case - a dealer who faked 650 postmarks & 50 expert signatures on metal stamps. It changed a lot in the world of German expertization. 2. The stitch watermark that I am familiar with is not a true watermark and VERY random. It appears on several countries and when expertized adds much value but I am not sure exactly why it should As far as I know it is from the paper making - the wet paper passes on a mesh and the mesh sections might be "stitched" together leaving an impression in the paper It may appear anywhere and might be vertical or horizontal  |
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stainlessb
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Posts: 4,638
What I collect: currently focused on most of western Europe, much of which is spent on France, Belgium, Germany and Great Britain Queen Victoria
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Post by stainlessb on Jun 16, 2020 20:24:27 GMT
Today's find- unlabeled paper envelope  Here's a closer look at what may or may not be a real #1 
Found a couple more!  |
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Beryllium Guy
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Posts: 5,653
What I collect: Worldwide Stamps 1840-1930
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Feb 4, 2022 17:29:01 GMT
Baden, Sc1-28
Pre-German Empire Era, 1851-1869
Arranged on Hagner Stock SheetI had the occasion this past year to pull some of my German States issues together, and Baden is one of my favorites since its principal city, Karlsruhe, has been a frequent destination of mine over the past decade or so. Most of the earliest stamps shown below were purchased from a dealer in Karlsruhe during some of my visits there from 2017-2019. I should start getting busy and trying to add to this collection, as I like these stamps very much.  Row 1: Header (reproduction, but as it appeared in album originally published c.1901-1910) Row 2: Baden, Sc1-4 Row 3: Baden, Sc6-9 (there is no Sc5) Row 4: Baden, Sc10, Sc12, Perf 13½ (missing Sc13-14; there is no Sc11) Row 5: (missing Sc15-18) Row 6: Baden, Sc20, 3-kr Rose, Perf 10 (missing Sc19, Sc22-25; there is no Sc21) Row 7: Baden, Sc26 & Sc28 (missing Sc27) Row 8: (missing ScLJ1-LJ3, Rural Postage Due Stamps)
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brightonpete
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On a hike at Goodrich-Loomis
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Post by brightonpete on Feb 4, 2022 19:42:00 GMT
Nice display, Chris!(Beryllium Guy )
I was in Karlsruhe a number of times, living just south of there for a few years. But my collecting days were coming to an end then, so I never searched out for any stamp dealers. Sounds like I missed out!
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Beryllium Guy
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What I collect: Worldwide Stamps 1840-1930
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Feb 4, 2022 22:21:57 GMT
Here's a closer look at what may or may not be a real #1 Stan, please accept my apologies for not responding before now to your post from Jun-2020. I don't know if you were able to draw any conclusions on this, but I would just comment that Baden, Sc1 is 1kr Black on Dark Buff paper, and Sc6 is 1kr Black on White or slightly Off-White paper. I am not really learned in the printing aspects to distinguish the details in the originals from the reprints or forgeries, but I do know that a genuine Baden #1 needs to be on dark buff paper. Please have a closer look at the Sc1 and Sc6 in the scan that I have posted. I think that yours is much more likely an Sc6 than an Sc1. In fact, I believe that our former member marking mentioned about the so-called "Coffee Fakes" which were made by staining copies of Baden #6 in a cup of coffee to make the white paper resemble the dark buff of Baden #1. I think that there are other differences, but the paper is the first one that jumps out when considering whether 1kr stamps are #1 or #6. I hope this helps.  |
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hdm1950
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Posts: 1,595
What I collect: I collect world wide up to 1965 with several specialty albums added due to volume of material I have acquired. At this point I am focused on Canada and British America. I am always on the lookout for stamps and covers with postmarks from communities in Queens County, Nova Scotia. I do list various goods including stamps occasionally on eBay as hdm50
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Post by hdm1950 on Feb 4, 2022 23:16:48 GMT
Beryllium Guy Chris your presentation is very nice and clean. It accentuates the limitations of albums like my big blue. Even my modest collection of Baden has been jammed in by my father and I. I am surprised that I could actually fill several holes for you but I am afraid I am not ready to down size even though they would be happier in your handsome layout.
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Post by greaden on Feb 4, 2022 23:37:17 GMT
I should pay more attention to Baden. It is a country I completed and moved on, instead of getting into the weeds. But that first row is among the most magical stamps ever produced, anywhere. This thread temps me to get into its varieties.
But its postmarks do not have the traits that excite me in collecting the marks of Germany pre-unification. The postmarks of Thurn and Taxis tell stories of forgotten countries off the radar of organized philately. Brunswick's postmarks tell a story of a country splattered across the map. Prussia's tell of a country that gobbled off bits of its neighbors, formed unified Germany, but much of its realm are now in very different countries. Prussia, for me, has the same appeal as Austria.
But Baden? It just sat there during the period when it was producing its own stamps.
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hrdoktorx
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What I collect: France (and French territories), Africa, Canada, USA, Germany, Guatemala, stamps about science, flags, maps, stamps on stamps...
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Post by hrdoktorx on Aug 29, 2023 18:30:51 GMT
Two new arrivals today, Baden MiNr. 8 and 24:  |
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hrdoktorx
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What I collect: France (and French territories), Africa, Canada, USA, Germany, Guatemala, stamps about science, flags, maps, stamps on stamps...
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Post by hrdoktorx on Sept 18, 2023 17:48:38 GMT
New arrival today, a copy of the MiNr. 5, on piece:  |
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Post by coiledragon on Oct 12, 2023 19:06:17 GMT
Hello, I have recently acquired a Baden sc #1a. Though to me it more looks like SC #1 or #6. I wonder if anyone could help me to identify it. Thanks a lot! Coiled Dragon   |
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kasvik
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What I collect: Cancels mostly, especially Sweden Gävle and Lidingö, Switzerland Geneva, Germany Pforzheim
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Post by kasvik on Oct 13, 2023 2:34:53 GMT
I collect Baden a little--mostly with Pforzheim cancels, no. 109s--but barely know anything. |
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Post by gstamps on Oct 13, 2023 11:56:17 GMT
Hi coiledragon I do not have this stamp in my collection and therefore no expertise. Some information from specialized Michel may or may not help you. I hope I correctly equated the Scott catalog numbers you refer to (1, 1a and 6) Scott 1a = Printing color deep black, glossy and good coverage; partly translucent, thin, smooth paper. Paper with yellowish gray shades. Scott 1 = Printing color gray-black to black, matt and less opaque; non-translucent, stronger, rough paper. Paper with brownish yellow shades Scott 6 = White paper - that's all I have - there are some examples in this thread. I think your stamp does not have white paper (attention Scott 6 can be soaked in tea or coffee and can take this color) I don't think there are many Scott 1a stamps left unexamined (examined stamps have a mark on the reverse) The black color (from what I think I see in your picture) I don't think corresponds to Scott 1a. You can check the thickness of the paper (0.05 - 0.06 mm for Scott 1a) and if you can see something from the drawing on the back (the paper of Scott 1a is partially translucent, unlike Scott 1 and 6) |
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Post by coiledragon on Oct 14, 2023 23:29:17 GMT
Thanks a lot Gstamps for the so detailed information. I have not got the stamp yet. But managed to download a picture of the back of the stamp. It looks like signed by Cross. Is he a expert or the former owner? Thanks. Coiled Dragon  |
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Post by coiledragon on Oct 14, 2023 23:34:33 GMT
Today I purchased another lot of Baden stamps. The seller offered a price I could not resist. Anyway. Here is the photo of the lot. What do you guys think?   |
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salentin
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collecting Germany,where I live and about 20 more countries,half of them in Asia east of the Indus
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Post by salentin on Oct 15, 2023 12:22:36 GMT
To me your 1 Kreuzer stamp is clearly Michel No.5 on white paper.
Here are mine:
Mi.no.1b
Mi.no.5
I am fairly sure that the Mi.no.1b is authentic,as it is signed "W.Engel" (german expert).
Do not want to comment about the shown lot.
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Post by gstamps on Oct 15, 2023 15:03:44 GMT
Hi coiledragon I found on "stampsx.com" a scan with the 4 types of stamps: from left to right: 5, 1b, 1a and 1bND (Michel numbers)  Through photo processing I reduced the image, but if you are interested in help in identifying your stamps, sign up on "stampsx.com" - it is difficult to communicate in German, but you will find members with great experience and excellent images. |
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hrdoktorx
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What I collect: France (and French territories), Africa, Canada, USA, Germany, Guatemala, stamps about science, flags, maps, stamps on stamps...
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Post by hrdoktorx on Oct 21, 2023 15:09:14 GMT
Waiting for me in the mailbox today, this Baden MiNr. 9 exemplar, 1 kr. black with lined background, on piece:  |
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drakken
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What I collect: Germany
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Post by drakken on Feb 11, 2024 15:28:06 GMT
Question... the secret marks, must be ONE enough? Or it must be the three at each stamp? It is really a good proxy for forgeries?
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drakken
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What I collect: Germany
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Post by drakken on Feb 11, 2024 18:39:16 GMT
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