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Post by abctoo on Mar 10, 2021 0:47:46 GMT
It's been awhile, but I haven't forgotten the stamp forum. Here's a 7 May 1935 real photo postcard from Nizkny Novgorod called Gorky (ГОРЬКИЙ) at the time. My Russian is not so good, but the inscription in the lower left of the picture appears to say: Крым.Сuмеиз Здакuе Нурормноzо УпраЬлени (Crimea . Sumeiz Building Normal Management). I sure would appreciate any correction of my reading of the script or the translation. What is interesting about the postcard is that many times in this thread we have seen numerous Soviet and Russian postal stationery on which official publication data was printed. This card has such publication data dated 1935 below the place to designate the addressee. I am sure there are many others cards and stationery made earlier than this one, but this is the oldest one I've actually touched. The city is located at the confluence of the Oka and the Volga rivers in Central Russia. Today, its population is over 1.2 million residents, with up to roughly 1.7 million residents in the urban agglomeration. Nizhny Novgorod is the sixth-largest city in Russia, the second-most populous city on the Volga, as well as the Volga Federal District. It is an important economic, transportation, scientific, educational and cultural center in Russia and the vast Volga-Vyatka economic region, and is the main center of river tourism in Russia. In the historic part of the city there are many universities, theaters, museums and churches. Maxim Gorky, the Marxist activist and Tsarist dissident, was born in Nizhny Novgorod in 1868 as Alexey Maximovich Peshkov. In his novels he described the dismal life of the city proletariat. When he returned to the Soviet Union in 1932 on the invitation of Joseph Stalin, the city was renamed Gorky. The city bore Gorky's name until 1990. His childhood home is preserved as a museum, known as the Kashirin House, after Alexey's grandfather who owned the place.    Be well, Mike |
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Post by kosmo on Mar 19, 2021 7:37:29 GMT
Crimea Simeiz Resort Management Building.Soyuzfoto Publishing house Moscow Glavlit Management.Printed at 1 State Factory Soyuzphoto.The circulation is 5000.
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Post by abctoo on Mar 21, 2021 18:34:16 GMT
Thanks Kosmo. I use google and just one character can change the meaning.
I misspelled the Russian word for "resort" using a "z" instead of "г" for "Нурормного".
Your correction changes the entire meaning and the caption now makes sense.
I saw that you currently have up for auction in Russia, many, many of the more modern envelopes with government inscriptions like those we have discussed and pictured above, and I am sending you a private message. Your prices seem very reasonable.
If you would post the link to your listings on that auction website, I think there are those who follow this thread who would be interested. I guess once they look at what is there, they can contact you?
Thanks for all your help.
Mike
[Added about an hour after the original posting.]
P.S. I just noticed you have your auction listing website link posted at the bottom of your message immediately above.
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Post by JeffS on Sept 26, 2021 20:43:21 GMT
I picked up this card (and a similar) at a recent show.
I know nothing about it (them) but a search using "propaganda and advertising"
within Russia on eBay brought to light several varieties.
I know nothing about the message language on the reverse. Any ideas? (Does it read correctly or is it inverted?) 
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Post by darkormex on Sept 27, 2021 0:15:09 GMT
JeffS, I wonder if that is Armenian script?
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Post by JeffS on Sept 27, 2021 0:26:16 GMT
JeffS , I wonder if that is Armenian script?
Here are scans of the second card, writing is similar.
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Post by darkormex on Sept 27, 2021 0:53:23 GMT
Approaching this from a lateral direction, I looked up Armenian communities in Illinois, and two of the top 3 hits were in Granite City, Illinois where these cards were mailed to.
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Post by JeffS on Sept 27, 2021 3:10:13 GMT
darkormex - good sleuthing. I hadn't thought of that. I was wondering if the postmarks themselves might reveal an origination. I regret the alphabet it totally alien tom me. I tried looking at Armenian handwriting samples online, and while I found definite similarities, none proved to be conclusive.
Also perhaps the addressee surname might reveal a clue if readable.
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Post by hrdoktorx on Sept 27, 2021 6:02:28 GMT
I would lean towards Georgian script. If it helps, the cancel is from the town of Mogilev-Podolski in Ukraine, on the Dniestr river, at the border with Moldavia.
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Post by Londonbus1 on Sept 27, 2021 6:20:23 GMT
JeffS.......I believe the text of the first card you show is upside down when you compare it to the second one. It looks like Yiddish to me and my wife agrees but don't take that as gospel !!  Because of it's 'closeness' to Hebrew, many of the letter forms were instantly recognizable. If you Google 'Yiddish Handwriting' you will see. I will try and translate a couple of words at some point but it won't be easy and most likely unsuccessful ! But it's all good fun.
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Post by hrdoktorx on Sept 27, 2021 18:41:41 GMT
Since Mogilev-Podolski had a large Jewish population pre-WWII and the cancel is from 1933, Yiddish is probably right!
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JeffS
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Post by JeffS on Sept 27, 2021 20:50:39 GMT
I found several examples of Yiddish handwriting online and am confident that this is the correct evaluation.
I've rotated the original posting here 180 degrees. Thank you for pointing that error out.
Lets see, how many ties did I look at the writing before selecting the orientation? 
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Post by armenin2000 on Oct 2, 2023 10:47:53 GMT
If it is still interesting. These envelopes went from the Chechen Republic  |
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Post by kooolabs on Jan 1, 2024 8:54:12 GMT
falsum? ![I wish you a great new year!!please is this envelope fastum?thank you very much]()  |
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Post by cursus on Jan 1, 2024 9:08:50 GMT
"Forgery"? Not sure... Fishy? certainly. The "Amur Republic stamps", are bogus ones. But... who can trust on the post-spviet postal items? Perhaps, it went through the post with the aid of a "friendly" postal clerk...
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Post by kooolabs on Jan 1, 2024 9:32:32 GMT
Thank you,
unfortunately, I don't understand it at all, even though I've read several websites.
I received two crates of this material and I don't know whether to deal with it at all...
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Post by cursus on Jan 1, 2024 11:45:40 GMT
Curious "covers" from Russia...
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Post by philatelia on Jan 1, 2024 12:50:42 GMT
If those are “official” issues, I feel sorry for the women living in that country. Highly objectionable UNLESS they issued similar stamps with equally posed and partially clothed MALE models. At least that would equitable.
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Post by kooolabs on Jan 1, 2024 13:11:49 GMT
If anyone knows links to articles or discussions on this topic on other websites, I would be happy, thank you
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Post by rod222 on Jan 1, 2024 14:01:09 GMT
If anyone knows links to articles or discussions on this topic on other websites, I would be happy, thank you
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Post by JeffS on Jan 1, 2024 14:09:20 GMT
If anyone knows links to articles or discussions on this topic on other websites, I would be happy, thank you
No doubt “collectors” will have no problem throwing money at this junk. |
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Post by kooolabs on Jan 1, 2024 14:44:58 GMT
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No doubt “collectors” will have no problem throwing money at this junk. it's not as simple as you write. the collector must first have the knowledge to judge what is waste and what is good. do you agree |
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Post by JeffS on Jan 1, 2024 15:14:23 GMT
No doubt “collectors” will have no problem throwing money at this junk. it's not as simple as you write. the collector must first have the knowledge to judge what is waste and what is good. do you agree To quote Forrest Gump, “Momma always said, “Simple is as simply does””and that’s all I have to say about that. |
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Post by kooolabs on Jan 1, 2024 15:58:02 GMT
what does forest gump collect? Unfortunately, I don't know him.
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Post by djcmh on Jan 1, 2024 16:41:36 GMT
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No doubt “collectors” will have no problem throwing money at this junk. At Colnect we have been documenting these Russian Regional Illegal stamps for several years and our database has almost 12,500  different items listed in our database. A lot of these were not even produced in Russia, but rather in Western Europe specifically designed to deceive in particular topical stamp collectors. Overall the production of illegal stamps (that is labels produced in the name of a legal postal service or a region covered by a legitimate postal service without the authorization of that postal service) is one of the great threats to philately in the long term, and the problem just continues to to get worse. Only today the victims are postal administrations in sub-Saharan Africa, where we are now in the situation where there are now more illegal stamp issues that have been produced than legitimate ones. And they are all over platforms such as hipstamp and ebay (delcampe has been much better at removing listings of illegal stamps from their marketplace). |
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Post by JeffS on Jan 1, 2024 17:19:31 GMT
what does forest gump collect? Unfortunately, I don't know him. It’s a movie |
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Post by kooolabs on Jan 1, 2024 17:21:27 GMT
Thank you
I have already registered labels for these things in colnect. I try to analyze my materials. I kind of thought that it would be similar to the series of stamps after territorial administrative changes / zones and areas of Germany 1945-1947, or post-war Czechoslovakia/.
But it will probably be different here, and in these post-Soviet countries, reprints simply did not occur. Or they occurred but were not captured.
In any case, thanks for the fruitful suggestions! Mark
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Post by rod222 on Jan 1, 2024 21:36:39 GMT
Being a "stamp collector", that's what I do, collect stamps.
I try to avoid the heat of passionate dislike of certain areas of my hobby.
I am aware of illegal stamps, and whilst I nether pay for them, or actively seek them,
they arrive in my swaps, and therefore, I have to pursue their genesis.
I have virtually destroyed a softcover book by Parry, regarding the history of 18th century
world trade and dominion. scribbled on pages, underlined, highlighted, all the facinating
times of discovery and conflict.
I learnt of the first eastern discovery of Russian KAMPCHATKA in the 1640's
The missing of JUAN DE FUCA , the enormous linen trade in early CATALONIA
Modern conflicts, I read daily, of people dying in ABKHASIA , SOUTH OSSETIA, and GEORGIA
All this takes on a deeper meaning through Philately.
I have been aware of these illegals since 2005, I acknowledge they exist
place then in B.o.b in my 3rd Russian Album, and leave it at that, and move on.
My early research on these came through a website "PMR stamps dot com"
that's where I learnt they were illegal, and to the extent.
These early links have now all disappeared
  
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Post by cursus on Jan 2, 2024 10:17:40 GMT
On the decade of 1990 there existed a "Society for the Study of the New Republics of the former USSR", lead by Michael Padwee, from Brooklin, NY, USA. This study group, to which I belonged, tried to compilate all the postal/philatelic information on the ex-USSR territories. I've a lot of it on paper.
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Post by doug534 on Jun 28, 2024 23:00:05 GMT
Todays puzzle from my dad's philatelic materials is how to interpret the postmark date on a Moscow to Oakland, CA cover with what I believe to be a pair of Scott's Russia #256. The online Scott states those imperf stamps were issued in 1923. I see a three at the end of the central series of digits in the postmark, but nothing that looks like a two. Are those six central digits "26 10 23"? Thanks in advance!  |
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Because of it's 'closeness' to Hebrew, many of the letter forms were instantly recognizable. If you Google 'Yiddish Handwriting' you will see.
different items listed in our database. A lot of these were not even produced in Russia, but rather in Western Europe specifically designed to deceive in particular topical stamp collectors.