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Post by smauggie on Jan 18, 2019 18:11:15 GMT
Narva-Jõesuu, Union of Soviet Socialist Republics Soviet Socialist Republic of Estonia The name of the town seems Finnish, and it is close to Finland.  |
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Post by abctoo on May 8, 2019 13:06:47 GMT
I thought I would post the item scanned below as its city of origin, Луганск (Lugansk), is currently topical. What stamps are in local use there now? Those may be different than ones used internationally.   |
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Post by kostia84 on May 8, 2019 19:44:57 GMT
A hundred years have passed, and yet they are still in a turmoil...
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Post by abctoo on May 9, 2019 5:09:37 GMT
To kosmo and others. In reply to the messages and stamp forum "likes" about my posting of the Lugansk cover, I am posting an interesting cover from Kosmo's hometown, St. Petersburg, Russia. Before I do that, I am really curious about what stamps are now used on local mail in Lugansk. I understand mail outside of the area goes by U.P.U. rules, but internally? The following cover was written in December 1815 by an American living in St. Petersburg, Russia. It arrived by SHIP in the United States on May 8, 1816 at the Port of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania and then delivered to his sister in Wilmington, Delaware (less than 30 miles away from Philadelphia). Its contents are interesting comments on life of the times, including the difficulty using the Russian language. When he wrote the letter in December 1815, the Act of December 23, 1814 was in effect because of the War of 1812. That Act had increased the distance (zone) postage rates by 50% from the prior distance rates set in the Act of March 2, 1799, but did not increase the 2 cents Ship Rate. At time of mailing, the postage then would have been 8 cents (under the Act of March 2, 1799 for distances not over 40 miles from the port of entry) increased by 50% for the War of 1812, making the distance rate 12 cents, plus the incoming Ship Rate (fee) of 2 cents, for a total of 14 cents. While the letter was in transit, the 50% War of 1812 rate increase was repealed effective March 31, 1816. Under that new rate, the letter would cost only the old 8 cents distance fee plus the 2 cents incoming ship fee, a total of 10 cents. But we are not done yet. By the Act of April 9, 1816, effective May 1, 1816, the distances making up a zone and the zone rates for single letters were changed. Now a single letter being delivered not over 30 miles (previously 40 miles) from the port of entry, was charged a distance rate of 6 cents, plus the 2 cents ship fee, a total of 8 cents. The cover bears manuscript 8 cents markings, and the "PHILA / MAY / 8" handstamp and "SHIP" handstamps, both in red. The manuscript dating inside the letter shows it was written in December 1815 at St. Peterburg, in Russia. Member vikingeck informs us that the "26" under the "14" in the date is the same day. The "26" is the date on the Russian calendar, while the "14" is the date on the reformed modern calendar used in America.        |
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Post by abctoo on May 10, 2019 6:17:03 GMT
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Post by vikingeck on May 10, 2019 7:29:54 GMT
An excellent account of working out the rates on this letter following the US war of 1812 and the wider European conflict we refer to as the Napoleonic wars to 1815. However I think the dates are actually the same day! At that time Russia still used the old Julian calendar which was 12days out of sync with the western world which had reformed to the Gregorian calendar dates. |
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Post by vikingeck on May 10, 2019 7:55:22 GMT
Just referring back to my comment on the dates above for clarification.
14 DECEMBER would be the Russian Calendar date, and 26 DECEMBER would be the date the in the reformed modern calendar the American would have been used to, but they will be the same day.
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Post by abctoo on May 10, 2019 10:48:53 GMT
Thank you vikingeck for the information about both the Gregorian and Julian Calendar dates being used on this cover from St. Petersburg, Russia. I have seen a similar style of dating on two other covers from the period. I had assumed the two dates indicated the date the letter was written versus the date it was mailed. Perhaps all three dates are the same day? Most important to collectors is that little variations in markings on old covers (like these two innocuous handwritten numbers one above the other for the day) have meaning, which can be easily misconstrued based on assumptions that "make sense" in the present day. With the date line indicating only "St. Petersburg" as the place of origin, it could have been easy to assume it was sent from St. Petersburg, Florida (which was founded in 1888, fifty years after the cover was sent) and reach a faulty conclusion that the cover was merely a domestic cover traveling up by ship to the port of Philadelphia. As difficult as it may be to read old handwriting, look closely at content of stampless covers when identifying it. This cover "talks" about the War of 1812 and two Americans doing business in Russia two centuries ago.
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Post by abctoo on May 10, 2019 16:30:49 GMT
Did I neglect to to mention that the St. Petersburg, Russia stampless cover was signed by William D. Lewis. The Archives of the New York Public Library, have his 1818-1879 papers at <http://archives.nypl.org/mss/1747>, and state: "William David Lewis (1792-1881) was a merchant and banker, born in Christiana, New Castle County Delaware. He went to Russia, 1818-1824, to be in the employ of his brother John D. and during his time there he became fluent in Russian. Lewis returned to the United States, 1824, and married Sarah Claypoole of Philadelphia. Residing in Philadelphia he became an importer and commission merchant. Lewis was Cashier of Girard Bank, 1832-1842, in Philadelphia and financed a number of Pennsylvania railroads. He died 1881 on his estate Florence, New Jersey."
The Historical Society of Philadelphia's holdings of the "William Lewis Davis" papers [<https://discover.hsp.org/Record/ead-1680/Details>] include the comment: "William David Lewis arrived in Europe in 1814 at the conclusion of the Napoleonic Wars and the War of 1812 [emphasis added confirming vikingeck's post]. Having obtained passage from New York as a secretary to the United States peace commission, Lewis soon resigned his office to join the employ of his brother John Delaware Lewis, a commission merchant in St. Petersburg, Russia. William spent the following ten years there. In 1820, William Lewis was sued for slander by the consul at St. Petersburg, Leavitt Harris, and the seven year litigation involved eminent officials in the United States and in Russia, including John Quincy Adams and James Monroe. Lewis began his own import commission business in Philadelphia in 1825, helped finance several early railroads, and was cashier of Girard Bank, 1832-1842. He served as collector of customs for the Port of Philadelphia, 1849-1853, despite the strenuous efforts against confirmation by his fellow Whigs from Pennsylvania. Lewis then retired to his estate near Florence, N.J., where he continued to take an active interest in business affairs. He was an ardent supporter of the Union during the Civil War. The incoming letters relate mainly to Lewis's financial interests, but touch on all phases of life. Especially rich are the manuscripts generated by Lewis himself: letter books and letterpress copybooks, diaries and diary extracts, 1839, 1843-1881, and autobiography to 1841, reflecting 19th century economic, political, and social life. The autobiography is particularly interesting for Lewis's accounts of life and travels in Russia and Europe, his duel with John L. Harris (nephew of Leavitt Harris and also a consul at St. Petersburg), his early interests in the railroad industry, and his involvement with the bank crisis of the 1830's. In addition, there are: letters, depositions, evidence, and other materials relating to Harris v. Lewis; Girard Bank accounts, correspondence, and reports during Lewis's tenure as cashier; literary pieces, mostly poetry by Lewis; John D. Lewis letters, 1810, 1814-1830, 1841, mostly on Russian business; arrivals and clearances of vessels at Philadelphia, 1826-1827; William D. Lewis, Jr., diary of a trip to Europe, 1853; Thomas Neilson (son-in-law of Lewis) diaries, 1856-1857;and scrapbooks, 1840-1918 including Civil War and World War I clippings.
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Post by abctoo on May 10, 2019 20:04:25 GMT
I would like to thank Steve Tomisek, The Stamp Forum's Administrator, for moving my initial post about the 1815-16 Russia/USA stampless cover from my posting under new member Kosmo's introduction to the "Russia:Covers" thread. As he pointed out to me: "We discourage posting such informative material on a member intro thread as it eventually becomes lost over time. Whenever possible, post such material in a relevant, pre-existing thread." Here, changing the posting to the pre-existing "Russia:Covers" thread has already helped us all better understand postal history.
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Post by kosmo on May 11, 2019 7:00:02 GMT
I need a little help identifying the place from which this cover was sent via Moscow to San Jose, California. The first scan is a blow up cancellations that appear to be from its place of origin as they appear on the front and back of the envelope. Two Moscow transit cancels are at the bottom of the back side (the third scan). The rest of the cancels on the cover all appear to be the same (but I could easily be wrong). I just cannot quite make out the Russian characters in the rest of the cancels. That might be easy for someone fluent in Russian, which I am not. Any help is much appreciated.    I could not read. |
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Post by abctoo on May 11, 2019 7:41:07 GMT
Thank you kosmo, I do appreciate your reply. Am I correct that the "om" part at the bottom of the front of the cover is the name of the sender with the sender's street address but without any city indicated.?
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Post by kosmo on May 11, 2019 8:33:38 GMT
Спасибо Космо, я ценю ваш ответ. Я правильно, что «ом» часть в нижней части передней крышки является имя отправителя с улицы адреса отправителя, но без какого-либо города указано.?
The letter was sent from Odessa in transit through Moscow
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Post by kosmo on May 11, 2019 8:51:17 GMT
I gave an example of postage stamps of Lugansk ( LPR ). I thought I would post the item scanned below as its city of origin, Луганск (Lugansk), is currently topical. What stamps are in local use there now? Those may be different than ones used internationally.  |
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Post by abctoo on May 11, 2019 16:42:01 GMT
Одесса , Odessa of course!!! I could not read it. I had thought by the date of the cancellation, 17.07.1922, the 3rd Ukraine Soviet Republic had taken control of Odessa and Tzarist stamps would no longer be used. My understanding of history is probably off a little. Those were times of extreme conflict, depredation and famine, with various factions continuing to control territory and fight presumably even after the Ukraine Soviet Republic joined with the Russian, Byelorussian and Transcaucasian republics in the treaty and December 30, 1922 declaration founding the USSR.
I do much appreciate your providing the actual Russian language characters in your response. Besides making clear what was written, it helps facilitate further research. Thank you.
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Post by abctoo on May 11, 2019 17:48:16 GMT
To Kosmo: Thank you for posting the picture of the Lugansk Луганск stamps of the Lugansk People's Republic Луганская Народная Республика. They are a great find. I noticed that while the text uses the Russian language name for Lugansk Луганская (Luganskaya) and not the Ukrainian name of Луганська (Luhans'ka), it is written in Ukrainian script without the diacritical markings of the Russian. [The Russian with diacritical markings is Луга́нская Наро́дная Респу́блика versus the Ukrainian without diacritical markings as Луганськая ( Луганська ) Народна Республіка ]. It would be interesting to find out what such stamps would look like if postally cancelled on an envelope or postcard that was delivered locally with its territory, as well as how such stamps are treated on international covers. Postally used items may be difficult to locate and probably only philatelically created material is available here. Perhaps, I should write them and see how the mail is delivered to places not recognized by the U.P.U.
So they do issue postage stamps, and they are inscribed Почта ЛНР . I think Почта means Post or Post Office and ЛНР are the initials of Lugansk People's Republic Луганская Народная Республика .
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Post by kosmo on May 11, 2019 18:03:42 GMT
Versions of the cancellation.   |
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Post by kosmo on May 11, 2019 18:11:57 GMT
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Post by abctoo on May 11, 2019 18:22:18 GMT
Hey, Kosmo. You are great. Nice pictures of Lugansk used stamps. While you were making your post, I found the Wikipedia website, <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postage_stamps_and_postal_history_of_Russia> , which states: "In March 2014, following the takeover of Crimea by pro-Russian separatists and the Russian Armed Forces, the Russian Post announced a number of measures to organize postal services with the Republic of Crimea in accordance with postal regulations of the Russian Federation, as well as to unify the mail systems of indexing.[fn. 10]," with [fn.10] reading: " ""Почта России" начинает доставку EMS-отправлений в Крым". ITAR TASS. 21 March 2014. Retrieved 24 March 2013."
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Post by kosmo on May 11, 2019 18:26:30 GMT
Let's not talk politics. Only postage stamps and philately!
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Post by renden on May 11, 2019 18:36:13 GMT
kosmo - I love your posts/covers but would appreciate a little explanation of the "beauties" and Thank you for participating My second point is about "politics" - we know the World is run by "Politicians" and many events have happened to change our World in the last Century, WW1 and WW2 just as examples. Now they are part of History. To finally get to my point, wouldn't it be nice to know where members are from, in their Profile - at times it would help in the conversations. I am Canadian, proud to be and will check to be sure it is part of My Profile. René
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Post by abctoo on May 11, 2019 20:21:05 GMT
If the "Let's not talk politics" issue arose from my quote from Wikipedia, again it was just a "quote" and not intended as a point of view. It does show that Wikipedia presents the views of the authors of its articles. Though providing useful research information, Wikipedia often is contrary to the prospectives of its readers. I meant no harm. As an aside, I think the controversy means I cannot receive by international mail a cover sent with Lugansk stamps to me here in the United States. I will try to obtain one and whatever the result will post it in the future. Thanks again, Kosmo, for your responses. I will soon be posting a simple Russian cover cancelled in a place formerly named after Tamerlain, though its historic name was changed in 1922 to meet the politics of the times. The new name remains today.
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Post by abctoo on May 15, 2019 5:37:16 GMT
An interesting registered airmail cover on Uzbekistan 0.25R postal stationery from Tashkent ' ТОШКЕНТ ' cancelled with old style CCCP cancel dated 05 04 95 (May 4, 1995) to Pskov ' Псков ' (Pskov Ublast) with CCCP stamps overprinted with ' УЗБЕКИСТОН ' (Uzbekistan) and revalued. Among the stamps on the cover are Uzbekistan Scott #28, the 30.00R overprint on the 3k Russia Scott #4598 (lithographed) in a pair with one missing the overprint (unlisted in Scotts). Another stamp appears to be the Uzbekistan Scott #15, a misaligned 20.00R overprint on the 4k Russia Scott #5840 (lithographed), but Scott says its only a 2R overprint and perhaps Scott only saw a misaligned "2." Does anyone have more information about the 20.00R or a 2.00R overprint on this stamp? The remaining stamp is Uzbekistan Scott # 61D, the 200R overprint on the 4K Russia Scotts #5838 (lithographed). In addition to the registered stamp are the markings Air ' АВИА' and Control and ' КОНТРОЛЬ '. On the back of the cover is an old CCCP receiving cancel with Pskov ' Псков ' May 8 1995.   |
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Post by kosmo on May 15, 2019 8:23:43 GMT
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Post by abctoo on May 15, 2019 11:48:50 GMT
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Post by kosmo on May 15, 2019 11:56:56 GMT
Okay, then maybe this one is also a philatelic souvenir as it came from the same source? Also a souvenir.    |
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Post by abctoo on May 15, 2019 12:55:29 GMT
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Post by kosmo on May 15, 2019 13:00:22 GMT
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Post by kosmo on May 15, 2019 13:03:57 GMT
I only have it like this.  |
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Post by renden on May 15, 2019 13:45:35 GMT
kosmo What is the difference between a "souvenir" cover and some other type of cover. FDCs would be "souvenir" ?? Thanks В чем разница между «сувенирным» чехлом и каким-то другим типом чехла. КПД будет "сувенирным" ?? Спасибо René
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