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Post by stampgeezer on Aug 28, 2013 3:13:43 GMT
Hello all, I am wondering why this item, postmarked Lake Louise, Alberta in 1950, has a US 2c postage due on it. The cover folds in half so would appear as a postcard, but the back has space for a message. Would such a non-standard item cost more than 3c in Canada at that time? There is no return address on it. Thanks in advance for educating me on this.
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Post by I.L.S. on Aug 28, 2013 11:57:43 GMT
Well I'm not positive about the postal rates of Canada at the time but my guess would be that the sender franked it as a postcard and it entered the mail in the US and required an additional 2 cents to conform to the size and wasn't considered a postcard. That's what I believe happened. I'll look up Canadian postage VS. United States postal rates of that year and give you a more cohesive answer shortly. EDIT:
I can't quite make out the year on that C.D.S. dial. Is it 1950? That's what I'll do my research on until I know different.
Here is a neat Canadian Postal rate site with an easy to make out timeline.
www.adminware.ca/checklist/chk_rate.htm
The rate was actually 3¢ for a postcard in Canada at that time, but I don't think it met the US postcard criteria size and/or weight wise.
This is what I was able to find and it really doesn't help answer the question, in fact it adds more mystery?
Here is the link to a blog on the subject that I took that quote from:
delbloggolo.blogspot.com/2010/02/1950-usa-postcard-goes-up-to-2-cents.html
This is a good site for the postage rates of the United States and history.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_United_States_postage_rates
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Post by rod222 on Aug 28, 2013 12:15:43 GMT
It is a Lettercard, not a postcard, hence the impost i should imagine.
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Post by rod222 on Aug 28, 2013 12:21:34 GMT
Whoa! whats with the fonts?
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Post by I.L.S. on Aug 28, 2013 12:46:37 GMT
Whoa! whats with the fonts? In my personal opinion he was the best Dr.Who.
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Post by I.L.S. on Aug 28, 2013 13:13:25 GMT
I done that to separate my thoughts and didn't really want to mess around putting them all black again. I will if you' like though?
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Post by rod222 on Aug 28, 2013 14:28:32 GMT
No Jeff, all is cool
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Post by stampgeezer on Aug 28, 2013 17:06:14 GMT
ILS - yes, it was sent June 22, 1950. Thanks for the great information. I think your fine fonts are fabulous! Rod, thanks for letting us know it is a letter card. Theron.
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Post by stampgeezer on Aug 28, 2013 18:46:37 GMT
Here is another thing about this area that I lack knowledge of. If the Canadian rate for this item was 3c, then why would the US care? If the correct Canadian rate of this item was 5c, and since it could not be returned to sender, would then the Canadian Post Office then communicate in some way to the US that 2c was due? I am sure one of the many more enlightened-than-me members will impart some wisdom on this.
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Post by Perfs14 on Aug 28, 2013 19:30:31 GMT
I found this simplified version of UPU rules, I think they may answer your question (I hope):
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Post by BC on Aug 28, 2013 19:45:26 GMT
I see the rate being 4c for a standard letter to Canada, according to the Adminware chart. The perforations around indicate the item was a letter card or one of those postcard booklets that contain several postcards, which obviously did not meet the 3c postcard rate. I do not know off hand how Canada handled underpaid mail to the US at the time, but I assume that the handstamp was applied in Canada, 1c due, plus 1c penalty, total 2c. On receipt the US Post Office did not apply any other charges. That's my 2c worth.
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Post by BC on Aug 28, 2013 19:52:06 GMT
A good read ( ) Perf14. One thing I do no though, is Canada and the US had (and still do I assume) their own underpaid mail agreement, so UPU regulations did not apply.
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Post by jamesw on Aug 29, 2013 2:36:58 GMT
Jeff, I think they're fontastic!
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