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Post by jamesw on Feb 27, 2019 2:17:54 GMT
Was visiting a friend with the wife, down in London Ont. this past weekend, and the lady we were visiting set me up with a guy, who knew a guy! Seems this fella wanted to unload some stamps. When I got to this apartment (checking all my escape routes, of course!) I found this rather rough character, a chain smoking hoarder, with a big box full of stamps. Seems he spent about 10 years buying stamps on line, he'd receive them, take one look then throw them in this big box. Now it was time to get rid of them. Ok, I'm game! And Mike turned out to be a really nice fella. Spent 2 hours going through every envelope, and came away with as many Canadian and US MNH stamps I could, thinking I've been wanting to upgrade my unused collections. Did pretty well, I think. Among a little pile of Newfie stamps was this little item, a #132 from the 1923-24 pictorial series. But this one has a type written 'overprint'  My guess it's some company personalizing their stamps so the employees wouldn't pilfer, sort of like a perfin. Any thoughts what the company might be? Or, maybe I have it wrong, and there's another purpose. You tell me. |
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Post by renden on Feb 27, 2019 2:29:13 GMT
jamesw James - not in Unitrade Canada Specialized but Newfoundland has its " bible" for its stamps - do not have it but I am certain this overprint is in that catalog.......the name is skipping my mind right now.....it is getting late in the Maritimes but we have to find it....manana (tomorrow) Nice !! I have to buy it...... BOUGHT - I will check it tomorrow 853 pages to this catalogue....... René 
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Post by jamesw on Feb 27, 2019 3:36:21 GMT
Great, thanks Rene! Looking forward to what you can find in there. Happy hunting.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2019 14:23:51 GMT
It may be a coincidence but there was a freight forwarding agent for a US Express company that operated under A.&S.L.
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Post by jamesw on Mar 1, 2019 4:07:53 GMT
According to rendens new Walsh Newfoundland catalogue (got a sneak peak!) this is believed to be a forerunner of perfins.
Page 285 of the catalogue shows examples of this and credits it to Ayre & Sons Ltd, which was a department store in Newfoundland active from 1859 to 1991
Thanks renden!
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Post by WERT on Sept 25, 2019 22:26:32 GMT
James
I think there was a PERFIN with the same company name.
Robert
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Post by renden on Sept 25, 2019 22:31:46 GMT
James I think there was a PERFIN with the same company name. Robert Wert Am certain you can elaborate !! René |
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Post by Ryan on Sept 26, 2019 6:32:32 GMT
According to the BNAPS Perfin Handbook (Canadian Stamps with Perforated Initials, edited by Johnson & Tomasson), there were two different perfins used by Ayre & Sons from 1925 to 1949. Both of these perfin styles are found on your stamp (and on some other issues which were also released pre-1925). Here's the listing for the somewhat more common of the two styles - the little numbers following "132" are used to indicate which perfin positions are found on that issue (rightside up, upside down, backwards, frontwards, etc., 8 different positions in all).  Ryan |
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Post by vikingeck on Sept 26, 2019 7:28:01 GMT
I am intrigued , astonished even, that some obsessive has gone to the trouble to list all the various ways, up , down etc for every stamp.
My understanding of Perfins is that there was usually a single lever hand operated punch and to save time and labour sheet stamps were folded and folded again so that several could be punched in a single operation .As this produced reversed and upside down perfins together with regular upright, orientation in any direction is perfectly normal and common .
Some collectors will get obsessed over nothing.:
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Post by WERT on Sept 26, 2019 13:16:06 GMT
Perfins..lots of them
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Post by vikingeck on Sept 26, 2019 22:02:48 GMT
Don’t get me wrong Robert @wert , I am fond of perfins "..................in moderation . One of each type or maybe a couple makes a nice collection . The point I was making was that inverted , reversed , upside down are just regular variations of the norm, due to folding. They are not necessarily scarcer and surely not unusual enough for anyone to trouble to list them as individual varieties . The listing shown by Ryan above is obsessive in the extreme and I suspect is probably incomplete anyway . I cannot imagine the kind of collector that needs that listing minutiae . Alex |
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Post by renden on Sept 26, 2019 22:52:04 GMT
Don’t get me wrong Robert @wert , I am fond of perfins "..................in moderation . One of each type or maybe a couple makes a nice collection . The point I was making was that inverted , reversed , upside down are just regular variations of the norm, due to folding. They are not necessarily scarcer and surely not unusual enough for anyone to trouble to list them as individual varieties . The listing shown by Ryan above is obsessive in the extreme and I suspect is probably incomplete anyway . I cannot imagine the kind of collector that needs that listing minutiae . Alex Alex @vivingeck - I do not collect "perfins" per se though I have some like every collector (stamps). I was a bit surprised re: your clinical impression of some of our members having "obsessive-compulsive" (extreme form) -like as this is a psychiatric disorder, very common among us, stamp collectors or stampers, but not necessarily uncontrolled (I hope)  ...just a thought René |
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Post by WERT on Sept 27, 2019 0:21:52 GMT
Hey Alex...Rene is correct...Some people like collecting perfins and some dont...It is a part of stamp collecting..I personally have approx. 66,000 perfins..I dont spend all my time on them, but hey they are collectable for stamp collectors. Robert
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...just a thought