hdm1950
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Post by hdm1950 on Dec 11, 2022 2:55:33 GMT
Here is my Sc.30 [Sg.47] deep blue with a pretty nice cancel -- looks like London May 1870. I think it is plate 13. The watermark is very clear from the back side.
Plate 13 for sure and great colour. My scan for some reason is not picking up the strong colour but it is pretty well like yours. |
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banknoteguy
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Post by banknoteguy on Dec 11, 2022 13:36:43 GMT
This is my example of the earlier imperforate 2d blue. I don't have a copy (yet) of the one with no white bars though. Not a deep blue, I think just blue. Watermark is visible but not as clear as the previous example I posted.
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Post by vikingeck on Dec 11, 2022 19:22:38 GMT
The recent post by Chris brixtonchrome has sent me to my Victorian era pages. The earliest mint I have is this 1869 Scott 30 Plate 15. I love the deep blue colour. I have 4 used Sc 29 & 30 with other plate numbers. This plate number is hard to read but with me squinting with my tongue out I can see the 15 with my jewelers loop. The watermark is very clear. There are hinge remnants and the glue is quite wrinkled. I am wondering if that is normal or was it possibly re-glued at some time.   Actually Hugh. I read plate 18 on this one. Crackled gum is normal on these after 170 years. So I have no fears of regumming. |
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hdm1950
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Post by hdm1950 on Dec 11, 2022 20:43:24 GMT
The recent post by Chris brixtonchrome has sent me to my Victorian era pages. The earliest mint I have is this 1869 Scott 30 Plate 15. I love the deep blue colour. I have 4 used Sc 29 & 30 with other plate numbers. This plate number is hard to read but with me squinting with my tongue out I can see the 15 with my jewelers loop. The watermark is very clear. There are hinge remnants and the glue is quite wrinkled. I am wondering if that is normal or was it possibly re-glued at some time. Actually Hugh. I read plate 18 on this one. Crackled gum is normal on these after 170 years. So I have no fears of regumming. My 2000 Scott Classic Specialty does not show a plate 18 Alex. The glue appears to have changed by the 1872-80 set as my couple of mints from then are very smooth. My iPhone actually does a better job than my cheap printer/scanner. As can be seen it is too bad the plate number was not as easy to read as the P9 on my used Sc 29. The phone photo of the full stamp is also a truer image.   |
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Post by gstamps on Dec 12, 2022 18:04:53 GMT
Hi I found a guide to identifying Penny Red Stars using the numbers C1 – C13 from the specialized Gibbons. 5 characteristics are identified: Die, perforation, paper, watermark and alphabet. I repost my stamp again:  and please help me with 2 features: - Die 1 or 2? -Alphabet 2, 3 or 4? I found out about "The Penny Red Stars" by GC TONNA which shows the characteristics of the letters specific to the printing plates.  Can someone PM me the sheets for the letters DE? Thanks |
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Post by stainlessb on Dec 12, 2022 18:36:32 GMT
Although some of the characteristic "locations" are covered by the obliteration, looking at nostril and mouth I'm going with Die 1, aand alphabet III
see PM
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Post by gstamps on Dec 12, 2022 19:21:10 GMT
Thank you stainlessb I washed the stamp in peroxide and I'll only take it off the press tomorrow, but it's definitely not bluish paper. Die 1 found out that it was only used on this type of paper. I kindly insist that if anyone has GC TONNA pages with the DE stamp to send them to me. Notice in the page posted by me (for the TE stamp) that on the left side is the number of the printing plate. |
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Post by stainlessb on Dec 12, 2022 19:32:02 GMT
I read that the process used that caused the bluing was ended one year after Die 1 was retouched ( to become Die 2)- I was looking at what characteristics I could clearly- Your original image had a touch of blue at one corner (or so it seemed)
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hdm1950
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Post by hdm1950 on Dec 12, 2022 22:22:38 GMT
Here are a couple more early Queen Victoria that I am glad to own. I have them used which are quite easy to find. These two appear mint. The 3p rose plate 16 Sc 61 is hinged and appears to have some glue. The 6p grey plate 15 Sc 62 has no glue and several pulled perforations but still a lovely image.   |
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Post by renden on Dec 12, 2022 22:33:11 GMT
Here are a couple more early Queen Victoria that I am glad to own. I have them used which are quite easy to find. These two appear mint. The 3p rose plate 16 Sc 61 is hinged and appears to have some glue. The 6p grey plate 15 Sc 62 has no glue and several pulled perforations but still a lovely image. They can be found on the Brixton-Chrome Auction - big inventory and the bidding is not that exciting (for them) !!! I have many lots bidded and Wednesday, 11:30 Atlantic Time is the final. brixtonchrome.comRené Go bid !!!!!!!! |
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Post by banknoteguy on Dec 12, 2022 23:37:55 GMT
Posting my earliest penny red. Although it does not seem very red, more orange or brown red. I think it is an SG8 (red-brown) but I suppose it could be an SG12 (orange-brown)?
Nice sharp impression with a light cancel.
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Post by forth on Dec 13, 2022 19:22:15 GMT
Although 1d reds can be common they are not ususlly in such good condition. 4 clear margins ans a light cancel. Congrats.
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Post by vikingeck on Dec 13, 2022 22:06:46 GMT
A previous owner has written “60” on the reverse . I would guess he has ID it as from plate 60 . Perhaps some member could check and confirm .? The bluing of the paper is very light almost not noticeable.
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hdm1950
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Post by hdm1950 on Dec 13, 2022 22:44:44 GMT
These are the Scott 3’s and 4 I have mounted in my old school Great Britain album. banknoteguy your example is exceptional for these. Sorry I cannot comment on the colour of yours. I kept the 3 copies of the 1d because I liked the variance in the amount of bluish. I did not want to remove them to show the back of the 2 on the left but the blue intensifies as they go from left to .the right. The bluish tone of the 3rd one is very intense. The 2 pence has 3 real good margins and even the 4th side is not too bad.  |
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Post by banknoteguy on Dec 13, 2022 23:25:30 GMT
The 60 probably does indicate a plate number. But how to verify that I have no real clue. From the Brixton-chrome blog, I found the following:
Not a lot of detail to go on.
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Post by daniel on Dec 14, 2022 11:40:57 GMT
Jack, banknoteguy, there is reference there to basal shift. Your stamp has this, it is also called a double bottom, an extra line at the bottom that doesn't extend to the lower corner letters. They are common throughout the printing of the this stamp. It is known to appear on plate 36 with corner letters QH but could be plates 46-58 or 59-75. This is according to Stanley Gibbons Great Britain Specialised Stamp Catalogue Volume 1. For plate 60 there are no noted re-entries. Not sure how helpful this is 😀 Daniel |
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Post by banknoteguy on Dec 14, 2022 12:24:47 GMT
So I have an interesting result to post about plating this penny red. I posted this image in another forum in a topic about plating penny reds and I got a confirmation by one of the experts that this stamp was indeed from plate 60 but better yet this person provided the following partial reference plate:
It appears like someone has made up a plate or plates that cover all the plates and positions used for penny reds! Is this even possible??? I have not found the source of these plates yet but when I do, I will post a link.
Looking at this plate, I see enough that I believe that the plater is correct. See the red arrow to the basal shift which matches and more importantly (I think) the hairline above the Q. These along with probably other points I have missed, likely confirm this stamp as from plate 60.
A surprisingly good result!
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Post by stanley64 on Dec 14, 2022 13:00:19 GMT
The website from the Great Britain Philatelic Society is quite the feat and even if it was not the one you were thinking of, you may find it useful...
Have fun and happy collecting!
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Post by stainlessb on Dec 14, 2022 14:53:16 GMT
stanley64 is correct. On the website there are images of imprimaturs for every plate. The tool that they have (once you get the hang of it) greatly reduces how many images you look through!
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Post by banknoteguy on Dec 16, 2022 23:33:27 GMT
I like this thread, so I will post another of my QV stamps.
SG96 2/6 (I think that is the proper way to write the amount  ). Nice clear strike for the cancel - Nov 24, 1890 but I am not so certain of the city. Any suggestions?
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Post by anglobob on Dec 16, 2022 23:49:06 GMT
banknoteguy This is a registered mail cancellation.No idea where it was cancelled. Maybe SWDO is Southwest District Office London ?
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Post by banknoteguy on Dec 17, 2022 0:04:05 GMT
Right. I see now that you mention it, that the cancel reads -- REGISTERED. Duhh. Thanks.
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Post by Londonbus1 on Dec 17, 2022 9:36:34 GMT
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Post by paul1 on Jun 29, 2023 18:44:24 GMT
for those who may have money burning a hole in their pocket - on the 18th July Stanley Gibbons will commence the first part of their sale of the late J. Phillips collection. Amongst a veritable treasure chest of goodies will be a perforate penny red from plate 77 - catalogue value £600,000. This is believed to be one of only three examples of plate 77 remaining in private hands - it was apparently discovered way back very early in the C20, and you'll be pleased to hear it is accompanied by a certificate of authenticity, so you can sleep soundly at night - provided you have the where with all to hold your paddle in the air. Now, where can I borrow that kind of money !! ;-)
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Post by banknoteguy on Jun 29, 2023 19:21:43 GMT
You mean this lot? [They have an estimate of 70-90K GBP.]
Description:
1864 1d Rose red Pl.77. Fine used example of this famous stamp lettered LL lightly cancelled by a London District "80" numeral, clipped perfs at top and left yet despite this it is a very fresh and highly desirable example with cancellation clear of plate numbers. One of the three surviving examples in private hands. An Iconic stamp of Great Britain and World philately. RPSL Certificate (1914) Ex. Latto. Cat £600,000.
Discovered in Mr N V le Gallais in 1906 and passed to C.E.J. Crallan of Jersey who sent it to the RPSL for certification. The certificate is dated December 14 1914 and signed by E.D. Bacon. The stamp was donated by Crallan and sold in the Daily Telegraph stamp auction in London on 28 September 1915 by Puttick and Simpson. The sale was in aid of the Belgian Relief Fund, raised £50 and was purchased by W.S. Brocklehurst. It was sold again in 1955 by Robson Lowe, Lot 635, 9/10 November, Sales 147477 and again at Robson Lowe sale on 10 May 1966 where it made £375. It was owned by Dr Latto who exhibited it in 1974, it then passed onto John Phillips who purchased the item pre-sale via Vessey auctions in 1987 where a price of £18,000 was agreed between John Phillips and Dr Latto the stamp was then withdrawn from the sale, John only displayed the stamp once, to The Great Britain Philatelic Society in 2010.
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Post by paul1 on Jun 29, 2023 19:30:05 GMT
that appears to be the very same - the cut perfs. at top and bottom left are distinctive damage. The '80 cancellation looks to be for Bishop's Auckland, County Durham - in the north of England - certainly appears to be the case in the list for 1874.
Think I'll give it a miss this time, and anyway it's very poorly centred.
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Post by banknoteguy on Jun 29, 2023 20:31:47 GMT
I see this thread had not been updated in awhile. So, something more mundane -- a pretty nice SG.12 1d on very blued paper:  |
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Post by michael on Jun 29, 2023 20:40:18 GMT
that appears to be the very same - the cut perfs. at top and bottom left are distinctive damage. The '80 cancellation looks to be for Bishop's Auckland, County Durham - in the north of England - certainly appears to be the case in the list for 1874. Think I'll give it a miss this time, and anyway it's very poorly centred.
The number 80 is in a circle which means it's a London district cancellation as per the Stanley Gibbons description.
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Post by paul1 on Jun 29, 2023 20:52:27 GMT
thanks for the correction michael - turning over too many pages again - Tottenham it is then.
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Post by michael on Jul 18, 2023 17:13:18 GMT
The plate 77 stamp was just sold by Stanley Gibbons for £120,000 plus 20% = £144,000.
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). Nice clear strike for the cancel - Nov 24, 1890 but I am not so certain of the city. Any suggestions?
