Londonbus1
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What I collect: Cinderellas and some Ephemera from Great Britain, France and Israel plus a few beautiful bits from elsewhere !! Topical interests include Flags & Judaica, the latter with an emphasis on the Jewish National Fund.
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Post by Londonbus1 on Sept 8, 2019 20:58:02 GMT
Prices going through the roof again tonight too. Big sigh ! I don't have the Drummond catalogue because the postage cost to send it to me is horrendous. With more than one part it means I need a visitor from the USA to get a copy, and that won't happen until next Passover holiday. Even then I have to think of the cost. As to the question of rising prices, I can see the rise not only in USA Club and Exhibition material so I would think the connection with a catalogue to be a loose one. I have no idea of the layout or content. No more bidding for me tonight. I am getting to be a bad loser !!!!!!!
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tomiseksj
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Post by tomiseksj on Sept 8, 2019 21:01:57 GMT
I think the rise in price may have something to do with online forums such as this one. I didn't collect Cinderellas until Londonbus1 and rod222 got me hooked over on SCF. I think we've even got a few TSF members that have started taking an interest -- and as interest grows, prices will rise.
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de61
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Post by de61 on Sept 8, 2019 22:55:25 GMT
I, too, am shocked by the prices. I have managed to take 3 lots so far and am still under $25, including shipping. This is what I consider to be reasonable.
I tend toward the APS Convention and ASDA Exhibition material. I have avoided bidding on the Oklahoma/Tulsa related material and the Jack Knight material because, judging from previous posts, there are collectors here who have decent collections of this material and are seeking to add to their collections. I would competitively bid in these areas if I already had some in my collection, but I don't.
I must reiterate that the quality of the stamps and the completeness of the sets is good. The set I received so far only had a single hinge on each stamp and the gum was clean. This is unusual in that many cinderellas I have bought in the past were heavily hinged.
To demonstrate an example of the increase in prices, the Rubber City Stamp Club set sold for $36. These stamps used to be included free as bonus items when you purchased several items from a cindy dealer.
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Post by stamphinger on Sept 8, 2019 23:23:09 GMT
Well, I'm joining Londonbus and headed for a big sulk! I was just outbid on an Oklahoma Philatelic Society S/S for which I bid what I considered an outrageous amount ($25) only to see the item sell for $26! Had I not bid $25, I believe it would have sold for $16. It looks like I am the one contributing to the rise in prices! Rats! As they say on Sharks, "I'm out," at least for awhile.
Don StampHinger
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de61
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Post by de61 on Sept 9, 2019 0:55:24 GMT
In discussing cinderella prices, I started thinking about dealers who I had dealt with. One of the dealers was Riga Stamps. I knew that both of the proprietors, Roger and Bonnie Riga, had unfortunately passed on and that their shop had been closed. Their son, however, has maintained the informational portion of their website as a tribute to his parents. It can be accessed at www.rigastamps.com . Click on the About Cinderellas link on the site. It will bring you to articles written by Roger and Bonnie Riga, the Richard C. Witt Cinderella Collection, and a copy of the Fields-Picklo Catalog of Philatelic Show Seals, Labels, & Souvenirs.
I don't know how long the site will continue to be maintained, so it is recommended that you download or copy any information you are interested in to your computer.
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Post by stamphinger on Sept 9, 2019 18:25:26 GMT
Here are a couple of souvenir sheet from the Tulsa High School Stamp Club, Tulsa, Oklahoma, issued in conjunction with the club's first annual exhibit. While perhaps, a little unusual for a high school to sponsor a philatelic exhibition, Tulsa, Oklahoma, was an active philatelic center during the 1930s and Tulsa High School was a comprehensive institution that provided college preparatory, business oriented, and industrial arts curriculums. The first sheet posted below is apparently the "official" one. It is listed in the Fields/Picklo catalog. The second, however, is not included in Fields/Picklo. The second sheet appears to be a trial printing. The colors of the paper and of the text are different and the text irregular in spacing, i.e. the date at the bottom of the sheet is not centered. More noticeable is the stamp image on the second sheet. It is Sc. 835 commemorating the ratification of the Constitution. Its color was deep violet, a color that may have been difficult to reproduce and the stamp was rejected in favor of the red violet of the Swedish-Finnish Tercentenary issue on the official sheet. The printing on both sheets lacks the appearance of a professional job. Ever on the first "official" sheet Tulsa/1939 at the bottom is not centered correctly. It is my speculation that the high school had its own print shop and that these sheets were, perhaps, printed by students. No solid evidence to back that up other than the somewhat amateur appearance of the sheets.
Don StampHinger The "official" sheet listed in Fields/Picklo The unlisted sheet
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Post by stamphinger on Oct 8, 2019 15:44:58 GMT
Much higher than I can bid.
Don StampHinger
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Londonbus1
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Post by Londonbus1 on Oct 8, 2019 18:54:52 GMT
Thanks for the link Don. I have stopped looking at those listings for over a week now because it just got silly. Too silly. I hope nothing more than that....if you know what I mean. I have purchased many items from him over the years, even USA Exhibition stuff, but these recent auctions have left me a little mystified.
Just had to say it.
Londonbus1
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Post by stamphinger on Oct 8, 2019 19:18:47 GMT
Hi Londunbus:
I don't blame the seller. He is only putting up items that buyers apparently are eager to have. A couple of his buyers are going after these lots with a vengeance. Here's another one that closed today and which I thought might go for as much as $7.00. It sold for $31!!! Crazy!
Don
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de61
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Post by de61 on Oct 9, 2019 3:53:07 GMT
Hi Londunbus:
I don't blame the seller. He is only putting up items that buyers apparently are eager to have. A couple of his buyers are going after these lots with a vengeance. Here's another one that closed today and which I thought might go for as much as $7.00. It sold for $31!!! Crazy!
Don
Fortunately, these types of trends tend to be cyclical. If we wait long enough, maybe the prices will come down.
I am also wondering if the current material being offered is from the two huge Dutch Country Auction lots of cinderellas that sold in July. If so, each of these lots contained thousands of stamps, so there should be many more to come. From the quantities offered, I am also guessing there were many duplicate sets included that have yet to be offered on eBay.
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Post by stamphinger on Oct 9, 2019 12:29:58 GMT
Good information and good advice, de61. A couple of months ago I was outbid on the below Oklahoma Philatelic Society s/s that sold for about $26. A couple of weeks later another copy showed up, same seller, and I got it for just a little over $5.
Don StampHinger
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Post by stamphinger on Dec 14, 2019 19:45:36 GMT
It has been awhile since I have posted in this thread, partially because I've been working covers, but also because I haven't been successful in adding to my want list. The item below is an exception. It showed up earlier this month in an eBay auction and I ended up the high bidder. For me, it is a real prize. This is the souvenir sheet issued by the Oklahoma Philatelic Society for its first convention and philatelic exhibition held in December 1933, in Oklahoma City. It is, I believe, quite scarce and this example is the only one I have seen offered on eBay this year. The next tough one to find is for the 3rd annual OPS show and exhibition held in Enid, OK, in 1935.
Don StampHinger
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Londonbus1
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Post by Londonbus1 on Jan 4, 2020 14:25:54 GMT
Back on page 7 I wrote the following (referring to the 'invert' sheet). "CRESCENT CITY STAMP CLUB, New Orleans, Louisiana. For one of those unknown reasons (at least to me), I was outbid on all the other items for the 1938 Annual Exhibition....except for this one ! Bidding went quite high but for some reason or other I won this sheet for a 'normal' price. There were many items produced for the event including Proofs and Colour Trials. The Crescent City Stamp Club was formed in 1932 and is still going today, despite the low membership. Back in 1938 they held their Annual Exhibition at the plush and historic Hotel Roosevelt (also still going today !). From the sheet it might be assumed that there is also a 'Philatelic Society of New Orleans' but I do not believe that to be the case. Noted at the bottom of the sheet is the reference to the APS Convention, to be hosted by the CCSC in the October of the same year. Items for that event have been shown previously" Now I can show two more from this event, after such a fight to get them !
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tomiseksj
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Post by tomiseksj on Jan 4, 2020 20:16:40 GMT
This souvenir sheet, from the American Topical Association's convention and exhibition held in Johnstown, Pennsylvania, June 16-18, 1961 (TOPEX-61), recently arrived on a cover containing several additions for my hometown collection. TOPEX-61 was the 10th ATA convention and exhibition, and the second one held in Johnstown. Johnstown was the site of ATA's first National convention and exhibition held in 1952. At that event, there were just 4 dealers in the bourse, but 56 exhibits displayed in 249 (nine page) exhibition frames. The 1961 event had 82 exhibits in 366 exhibition frames and was also the site of the first day of issue ceremony for the 11-cent air lettersheet (Scott UC35).
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Londonbus1
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Post by Londonbus1 on Jan 6, 2020 19:57:42 GMT
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Londonbus1
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Post by Londonbus1 on Jan 6, 2020 20:47:47 GMT
The organizers of the 60th Annual Convention of the Precancel Stamp Society produced this poor item to celebrate the occasion. Columbus, Ohio must have been proud. But beggars can't be choosers in this collecting world of ours and it does fit it, ugly though it is. At least it's a block of 8 !!
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Londonbus1
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Post by Londonbus1 on Jan 11, 2020 19:10:40 GMT
One of these labels has been posted on page 1 and I do not have a full set due to cost, but I did manage to obtain a few through a lucky purchase. 1913 INTERNATIONAL STAMP EXHIBITION, NEW YORK.Should be a set of 6 but 4 are shown here. These were produced for the Exhibition but were not sold there due to objection from the Postal Service. They said they were 'too much like postage stamps' !! So much of the stock was overprinted 'Open October 27-November1'. Both types exists on watermarked and unwatermarked paper. Imperforate examples also exist.
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de61
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Post by de61 on Jan 14, 2020 0:49:31 GMT
One of these labels has been posted on page 1 and I do not have a full set due to cost, but I did manage to obtain a few through a lucky purchase. 1913 INTERNATIONAL STAMP EXHIBITION, NEW YORK.Should be a set of 6 but 4 are shown here. These were produced for the Exhibition but were not sold there due to objection from the Postal Service. They said they were 'too much like postage stamps' !! So much of the stock was overprinted 'Open October 27-November1'. Both types exists on watermarked and unwatermarked paper. Imperforate examples also exist. I'm pretty sure all of these stamps were posted to the thread by other members at one time or another, but were lost to the image hosting debacle. I am posting what I have here.
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Londonbus1
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Post by Londonbus1 on Jan 14, 2020 16:39:19 GMT
Very nice !! I have been looking around today and there are a good few on offer but at high prices. These usually are and auctions get quite busy usually with many bids.
One day I'll get a few more I'm sure.
Do yours have the watermark ?
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Post by stamphinger on Jan 20, 2020 14:05:21 GMT
I was doing some rummaging the other day and rediscovered this souvenir sheet from the California Mens Colony Philatelic Society 1st exhibition, February 21, 1987 on the reverse of a 9"x6" cover. The Mens Colony is a minimum security prison in the California system near San Luis Obispo. I collect prison philatelic items so I must have picked this off eBay. Coincidentally, the cover is addressed to Kenneth S. Picklo who was instrumental in building the Fields/Picklo listing of U.S. exhibition cinderellas. The Fields/Picklo listing indicates that there was a 2nd exhibition sheet in 1988 along with local post labels and first-day covers from the society. Nothing, however, after 1989.
Don SH
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Post by stamphinger on Jan 22, 2020 17:31:31 GMT
These 1960 Garfield-Perry items are a recent acquisition for my aircraft cinderella collection. I'm wondering about the inverted aircraft on the bottom item. Does anyone know if this was an intentional error? The two seem to be equally available and equal in price. Did the venerable Garfield-Perry Club succumb to temptation here?
Don StampHinger
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Londonbus1
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Post by Londonbus1 on Jan 22, 2020 21:08:03 GMT
Yes, an intentional 'error' and listed as such. Same pricing too as I understand.
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de61
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Post by de61 on Feb 2, 2020 2:41:47 GMT
Very nice !! I have been looking around today and there are a good few on offer but at high prices. These usually are and auctions get quite busy usually with many bids. One day I'll get a few more I'm sure. Do yours have the watermark ? The perforated stamps are not watermarked. There appears to be a watermark in the selvage of the imperforate block, but I cannot make it out, even with fluid. If I had to say what it looks like to me is a depiction of Washington crossing the Delaware. There appears to be a boat or ship of some kind.
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Post by de61 on Feb 2, 2020 2:48:40 GMT
Following are the 3 souvenir sheets produced by the Westinghouse Stamp Club for its annual open house events in 1939, 1940, & 1941. The club met in the Westinghouse building in Wilkinsburg, Pennsylvania. The sheets include the notation, "George Westinghouse Stamp Clubs International." It is surmised the intent was to create stamp clubs at Westinghouse facilities worldwide, but this apparently never materialized. The sheets are in rough shape, but are somewhat hard to find.
After World War II, the club became the Wilkinsburg Stamp Club. Famous for its annual "spoof" souvenir sheets, the club is still in existence today and many of its previously issued souvenir sheets can still be obtained directly from the club at www.wilkinsburgstampclub.com/ .
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Post by stamphinger on Feb 15, 2020 22:35:27 GMT
I continue to add to my 1940 World-Wide Philatelic Convention cinderellas with this advance label featuring The Visiting Firemen of Philately. The Fields/Picklo catalog lists seven different colors for this item, blue on yellow (this one), on pink, on white, on red, and blue on blue, green on white and red on white. The Firemen of Philately had its beginnings in 1933. A Garfield-Perry club member, Bruce McIntyre, started the organization which was made up of members of any established stamp club who wished to belong. The objective of the group was to visit stamp shows throughout the year and on the last evening of the show have a gathering of members. These gatherings, called "conflagrations," often would last into the early morning hours of the next day. This label refers to a forthcoming gathering at the World-Wide Philatelic Convention in Detroit.
Don StampHinger
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Post by stamphinger on Mar 28, 2020 15:27:13 GMT
This large (86 mm wide X 135 mm high) souvenir sheet was issued to commemorate the first anniversary of the Los Angeles Women's Philatelic Society. According to the Fields/Picklo listing, the club continued to issue souvenir sheets on its anniversary October 11th, until their 22nd in 1961. Nothing issued after that in the F/P listing. I don't know if the club remains active, or if it issued other items after Fields and Picklo stopped updating their catalog. Neither do I know if these sheets were issued in conjunction with an exhibition or just for club members.
Don StampHinger
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Post by stamphinger on Mar 29, 2020 17:40:04 GMT
Another recent acquisition for the cinderella collection, this one an advance label for the 1942 American Philatelic Society's national convention held in Cleveland, Ohio. This label is in a popular patriotic style. It features a flag altered to include a V for victory and a popular WW II slogan "Keep 'em Flying." The Fields/Picklo catalog lists this advance label as one of three varieties. It may be distinguished from the other two by its blue lettering in the white stripes of the flag and by the "Keep 'em Flying" slogan in the stars field. The label is not overly large, 82mm wide X 55mm high. The designer of this item packed a lot of information and symbolism in a relatively small space. Don StampHinger
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Post by stamphinger on Mar 30, 2020 17:32:40 GMT
Joplin, Missouri, used to be an active philatelic venue and I've been working some related items among my cinderellas. The Joplin items I have were issued by either the Four-State Philatelic Exhibition or the 4-State Federation of Stamp Clubs. The four states included Missouri, Kansas, Oklahoma, & Arkansas. Judging by these two items and the Fields/Picklo catalog, there were two four-state philatelic groups operating parallel to each other. The 1950 souvenir sheet is from the Four-State Philatelic Exhibition's first annual exhibition in 1950 and the smaller advance label also calls attention to the first annual exhibition and convention of a 4-State Federation of Stamp Clubs, five years later in 1955. I do have, and have posted the 4-State Federation of Stamp Clubs souvenir sheet for the 1st Annual Convention advertised by the small red advance label. I have it on cover only and it can be seen below if the link works.
Four-State Philatelic Exhibition issued souvenir sheets every year between 1950 and 1956, with the exception of 1955. The 4-State Federation of Stamp Clubs issued cinderella items in 1955 and 1956 only. Fields/Picklo shows nothing from either group after 1956.
All-in-all, a confusing situation that may be of interest only to catalogers of these items.
Don StampHinger The souvenir shieet:
The advance label:
The 1955 4-State souvenir sheet from the exhibition referred to by the advance label:
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Post by stamphinger on Mar 30, 2020 22:30:02 GMT
Here is the last item I have on hand issued by the 4-State Federation of Stamp Clubs. It is the souvenir sheet issued in conjunction with the organization's second annual convention-exhibition. Note the name change of the exhibition on this sheet to MOKAEX. Also, this 1956 exhibit was held in Little Rock, Arkansas instead of Joplin, Missouri. While this is the last "4/Four States" item I have, my collection is not complete and I continue to look for s/s from 1951,1952, 1954, and 1955.
Don StampHinger
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Post by jamesw on Mar 31, 2020 3:26:33 GMT
Waded though these 10 pages of US philatelic labels. Wonderful stuff. There is so much amazing stuff, I'm not sure I can remember exactly what I've seen. I know I uploaded a bunch already, but here are some more, in no particular order, that I don't think I saw. If I'm repeating myself or one of you, I apologize. No year. Trans-Mississippi Philatelic Expo and Convention, Omaha Neb. Label from the Denver Stamp Club ASP branch 22 APS National Stamp Show 1949 in NYC 36th Annual PSS Convention in Pittsburgh PA 1957 41st Annual PSS Convention in Olympia Washington 46th Annual PSS Convention San Jose CA LINPEX 71 Lincoln Stamp Club, at ht Lincoln Hotel in Lincoln Neb. 19th Annual PSS Convention in LA 85th Anniversary philatelic expo and bourse of the Philatelic Society of Pittsburgh, 1973
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