kasvik
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Post by kasvik on May 19, 2019 22:35:52 GMT
Here is something I cannot figure; the mystery of first flight covers. Back in the golden age of first flight covers, people routinely sent letters to themselves. No doubt it was an affordable way to enjoy the exoticism of aviation.
But these covers rarely went to a proper recipient. Instead I see lots of mail posted to the sender, sometimes an obvious round trip, but often to the sender in a different location. These are too common to think the addressee lived in both places. Indeed, they usually go to general delivery. How on Earth did the sender recover their letter?
Even more mysterious are round trip letters that did not originate in the place where the flight originated. How did they get there; there typically is no home town cancelation. They mysteriously got to the airport. Here is a typical example, clipped from an Ebay sale. How did it get to Washington? And how do you guess Mr. Henry recovered it?
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stainlessb
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Post by stainlessb on May 20, 2019 0:00:03 GMT
My grandmother got FDC's routinely, which were self addressed to her, sometimes with a pre-printed address label of the next door neighbor who apparently had the "connection" for getting the FDC's... the address is in my grandmothers handwriting..... I know for a fact Mrs. Maynard (neighbor) was not mailig the FDC's, and most of the FDC's are unsealed and Mrs. Maynard's address lable would actually be under some or all of the flap had the envelope been sealed... I recognize her handwriting. I have quite a few of them.... unfortunately, many of my grandmothers FDC were stuck to adhesive photo album pages (cornerless!). A couple of times I would receive one, but I think these were unaddressed they received duplicate sof and just wrote my name/address on.... (and I have a couple where I printed my name and address, monkee see, monkee do!) she also liked to part of blocks and sheets to affix to pages.... Below is one of the few with a cancellationon the reverse, but notice, envelope was never sealed, and if it had reverse cancellation would not be where it is Nov 17, 1962 Dulles International Airport- handwritten address is my greandmothers, and she never ewver visited the east coast... or flew in an airplane/jet. here's the backof the FDC, unsealed with Nov 17 cancellation Newark, NJ Airport Mail Facitity- note position of cancellation (Dulles Airport is actually in Dulles, VA so how it gor to Newark is a mystery) and here is the back of envelope with "flap down" ....
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kasvik
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Post by kasvik on May 20, 2019 1:59:40 GMT
Nice connection. And it gets back to my flight cover mystery. How did these things circulate? How did your grandmother's addressed, uncancelled envelope first get to Northern Virginia? Like the recipients of first flight covers, she seems to have been part of a subscription service of some kind. What were these services called? How did they work?
Being forwarded to Newark is surprising but not shocking; there were few flights out of Dulles at first. Then as now, Dulles was a bother; everyone preferred flying out of National. (Having sold part of my soul United Airlines, I know more about Dulles than anyone should. But I don't know how to shake a first flight cover out of the place.)
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stevew
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Post by stevew on May 20, 2019 3:10:06 GMT
Nice connection. And it gets back to my flight cover mystery. How did these things circulate? How did your grandmother's addressed, uncancelled envelope first get to Northern Virginia? Like the recipients of first flight covers, she seems to have been part of a subscription service of some kind. What were these services called? How did they work?
Being forwarded to Newark is surprising but not shocking; there were few flights out of Dulles at first. Then as now, Dulles was a bother; everyone preferred flying out of National. (Having sold part of my soul United Airlines, I know more about Dulles than anyone should. But I don't know how to shake a first flight cover out of the place.)
I may be misunderstanding the question, so hopefully this answer is applicable. To get a first flight cachet and cancel, you would address and stamp the envelope yourself, keeping the address to the right so it would not overlap the cachet that would be later applied. You'd also insert a postcard sized enclosure in that envelope to stiffen it so your envelope would get a good cachet imprint. You would then enclose the envelope in a larger envelope addressed to the post office doing the first flight cover, with instructions to hold for the first flight. As for the unsealed envelope, I believe the envelopes were returned as they were sent. The person (your grandmother) could seal the envelope, or if they wanted the option to remove the stiffening postcard sized enclosure, they could just tuck the envelope flap inside the envelope without licking the gum. I have a number of collector created covers like this. For the overseas first flights like the one addressed to Greece, this newspaper article from 1947 might help explain: Not all first flight envelopes were created as collectibles. Some were ordinary mail that happened to be sent that day, such as this letter sent from my great grandmother to my grandmother (while she was visiting the states from the Canal Zone, and apparently from the addresses on the envelope, hard to pin down) thestampforum.boards.net/post/61376/thread
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stainlessb
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Post by stainlessb on May 20, 2019 13:01:20 GMT
stevew in my grandmothers case I remember very well her getting the blank/unaddressed FDC's (and I have some which were never adddressed) and writing her address after receiving from the neighbor. I see them offered on e-Bay all the time (quite a few right now, and the majority are unaddressed) and it is my understanding that the unaddressed ones have greater value. I don't collect them, but I have my grandmothers and aunts, and a few with my name from childhood
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stevew
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Post by stevew on May 20, 2019 13:50:09 GMT
stainlessb - I had forgot about that part of your post. Yes, FDCs were often purchased from the postal service stamped and cancelled but unnaddressed (in bulkas well). I have some of those too, even sheetlets of postal buddy cards with 4 FDC cancelled cards. As to value, I don't know which have more value, addressed or unaddressed. I had the idea in my mind that unaddressed were less valuable since they're a bit like CTOs, i.e. cancelled but not genuine postal use. I certainly could be wrong, as I haven't looked up values. I guess since an unaddressed envelope can easily be turned into an addressed envelope, it's a weak distinction.
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kasvik
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Post by kasvik on May 21, 2019 13:29:45 GMT
Stevew got my attention with that explanation and newspaper quote. Inspired, I searched my favorite news archive, the California Digital Newspaper Collection. It's nicely indexed and free. And voila; complete instructions for getting your first flight cover, on page one of a local paper, albeit for a different, more historic flight, the original FAM-18: ‘Stamp Collectors Given Instruction on Ocean Flight’, Calexico Chronicle, 12 May 1939, p. 1.
Information for stamp collectors desiring to secure first-flight covers to be dispatched from foreign offices on the Trans- Atlantic air mail route, Ambrose O'Connell, second assistant postmaster general, today announced instructions in mailing. "Covers to be dispatched from New York should be sent, with stamps attached, to the postmaster at that place," O’Connell said. "Postage required thereon is 30 cents per half-ounce." First flight is expected to be made from New York via Horta, Azores*, and Lisbon. Portugal, to Marseilles, France, and return. May 16 is the deadline for arrival of cover at Pan American Airways company. Thanks for the insight!
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