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Post by smauggie on May 15, 2020 14:29:56 GMT
For the Postal history part of your cover smauggie can we have a wee bit of Explanation please ? What was the correct postage from Australia to USA? The "T 16 2/3" should show the deficit in international UPU recognised "Gold Centimes" which is converted in USA to 4cents. I'm guessing the postage should have been 3d, so 1d short then doubled and converted to US 4cents, but this may not be correct Funny enough, the slogan on the machine cancel states the rate to the US, which was 3 cents. It was one cent underpaid You are correct, the original "taxe" or due rate of 16 and 2/3 cents was the rate in UPU French gold centimes. The US at this time took a punitive attitude with regard to postage due covers, and charged twice the amount due, which in USA currency was 2 cents, for a total of 4 cents due. Much of incoming foreign mail arrived at New York. This is where the double-circle marking was made. It is often referred to as a spyglass marking. The marking would either say "Paid" or "Paid All" or show the amount due.
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Post by vikingeck on May 15, 2020 15:01:12 GMT
I never noticed the slogan !ðŸ¤ðŸ¤. Sure enough it states the rate to USA. Is 3D. Three Australian pennies. Oops feel a bit foolish I missed that. Fortunately my guess was correct.
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Post by smauggie on May 16, 2020 0:14:05 GMT
First Day Cover June 5, 1938 Celebrating the construction of the Escuela Normal de Santiago. In English that is The Normal School of Santiago. "Normal" was an appellation to indicate schools that taught people (mostly women at this time) to teach children in schools. This school was built to surround students with the very best atmosphere. The main building is all marble inside. The entrance is molded in beautiful gesso design. The coup de grace though are the paintings in the gymnasium, painted by Panama's premier artist whose name escapes me at the moment. Follow this link for a close-up of the entrance. upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/14/Fachada_Principal_Escuela_Normal_Juan_Dem%C3%B3stenes_Arosemena_en_Santiago.jpg
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Post by angore on May 16, 2020 10:35:42 GMT
For those with an interest in postal history, are you trying to keep anything due to the virus?
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Post by cursus on May 17, 2020 8:12:38 GMT
As someone interested on Postal History, I watch for something related to the covid19 to arrive on the post. But nothing. For about 3 months I haven't got anything but bills. Not a single letter from abroad. I, even, mailed two covers to a friend in Canada (about 1.5 months ago) to see if there were anything on the outcoming mail. But, nothing so far.
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Post by cursus on May 17, 2020 8:15:11 GMT
I've had this form for about 40 years and I'm not sure on what it actually is. Any information?
(inside the folded form)
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Post by vikingeck on May 17, 2020 10:06:07 GMT
Ok as best as I can explain it, in the 19th century failure to pay a debt or being bankrupt could result in a person being put in Jail ( "GAOL" is the old fashioned way of spelling Jail).
Charles Dickens writes about it in his Novel David Copperfield as Mr Micawber wrestles with his money problems. Dicken's own Father spent some in jail for debt. You could remain there for years with family bringing food and stuff if they could manage, and only released when enough money was raised to bail you out or pay the debt.
In this case John Gould Irwin is to be released "on Regognisance of Sureites", someone has put up a bond guarantee. It looks like this might be a temporary release as his case will be heard in court on 1st August in about 5 months time
The address is the "KEEPER OF THE GAOL OF THE CASTLE OF CHESTER"
1842 is just the second year of the Penny red so the stamp is an early plate (it might even be from one of the plates 1-11 used for printing the Penny Black) only a good enlarged scan will tell what plate it is. It is cancelled with a "Maltese Cross" this one can be identified as CHESTER only by the Date stamp on the fold over flap.
At this time envelopes were not common.
In spite of the obvious faults to the folds of the letter , the stamp looks in fine condition
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Post by vikingeck on May 17, 2020 10:12:54 GMT
As someone interested on Postal History, I watch for something related to the covid19 to arrive on the post. But nothing. For about 3 months I haven't got anything but bills. Not a single letter from abroad. I, even, mailed two covers to a friend in Canada (about 1.5 months ago) to see if there were anything on the outcoming mail. But, nothing so far. This came this week angore .Pity it had to go through the cancelling machine twice. For those out side the UK "NHS" means National health Service and refers to Hospitals, Doctors ,nurses, ambulance crews, ancillary staff all working their socks off coping with the influx of hospital patients
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Post by cursus on May 17, 2020 11:11:25 GMT
Thank you very much. I guessed something like this, but I wasn't sure.
I'm enclosing a scan of the stamp. The history of this item is curious. In January 1986 I was queuing at Barcelona`s GPO to buy a FDC of the stamps of Spain and Portugal joining EEC, when I met an old man. after chatting about stamps, he told me that he had some old covers with Victorian stamps for sale. Although, by then I was very tight of money, I went to his house and purchased this form for 200 pessetes (a little more than a euro, but about 7 € in today's money). He had some more, but I couldn't afford them. Anyway, I was happy with my purchase. it was my first Victoria stamp!
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Post by rex on May 18, 2020 10:21:13 GMT
Great stuff,. thanks Cursus for showing and thanks vickingek for the explanation. It was like seeing a short documentary.
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Post by cursus on May 28, 2020 19:39:24 GMT
Barcelona, 1763, letter to TÃ rrega (Central Catalonia). Pre-stamp mark.
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Post by vikingeck on May 31, 2020 13:16:05 GMT
Time for another of my little history lessons from the mail. 1943 Burma. Japan with the aid of a nationalist Burma Independence Army and an army from Thailand have replaced the former British Empire administration. Postal services were transferred by the Japanese Army Administration to the Burmese (nominally Independent) Government , though to all intents the Japanese were still in control. British postal stationery envelopes found in the Post Office were defaced with a large red " X" and the Burmese state crest The Burmese government issued a number of stamps 1943 -44 which are not uncommon mint or used, but catalogued upwards by a factor of x20 to x50 when used on cover . Interesting that the addressee's title "Superintendent of Excise" is written in English still rather than Burmese or Japanese characters. I have to confess I do not know what the black Burmese "chop" reads. I wondered if it is a censor mark, but would have expected that to be Japanese , Turned side ways It seems to have the letters REG so it may be "Registered "
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Post by oldpapercollect on Jun 15, 2020 18:24:55 GMT
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Post by oldpapercollect on Jun 17, 2020 0:19:36 GMT
Can someone tell me about this? I am puzzled.
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Post by brightonpete on Jun 17, 2020 0:47:45 GMT
Looks to me like someone's idea of a souvenir cover from that stamp show in Toronto.
An interesting curiosity at best. Obviously, Israel did not send a postal delegation to the show, else there'd be an Israeli cancel as well!
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Post by vikingeck on Jun 17, 2020 16:53:33 GMT
I agree, a non postal item, a souvenir from a Stamp show Here is a Mixed Franking card souvenir for the big international in Kobenhavn HAFNIA 76 with Swedish and Danish franking , though this did apparently go through the post to Harry Allen a dealer in England. These became more commercially orientated with successive shows. I think it was at LONDON2010 that I recall seeing collectors scurrying from postal Admin booth to postal admin booth in order to collect a dozen or twenty handstamps on something called a "philatelic passport".
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Post by vikingeck on Jun 25, 2020 15:02:24 GMT
Time for another one folks. A cover dated 9 October 1944 this time from Vienna to LATVIA, actually to German Army Fieldpost 01370, and it doesn't even have a stamp ! OberLt Mayrhofer was with the 405 Grenadier regiment, part of the 121st Infantry Division, XXXVIII Corps of German army Group North. Located in Auce KURLAND,Latvia by the 10th October, the Army Group North was cut off in Kurland by the encircling Red Army and mail could not get through. So, Feldpost number deleted , handstruck "Zuruck an Absender" (return to sender) and manuscript message 'nicht Zustellbar 3.11' (Undeliverable) These things happen in wartime.
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Post by jimwentzell on Jun 26, 2020 2:25:56 GMT
This 1923 cover from Germany cover caught my eye while browsing online a few weeks ago. It wasn't very expensive (I've spent more on a bottle of beer, so my wallet is happy!) I loaned my Michel catalogue out, so I'm unable to add some specific details, but there is something rather unusual about it. Other than being a philatelic piece! I will let others speculate.....and will check back here in a while! --Jim
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Post by vikingeck on Jun 26, 2020 13:58:14 GMT
Well Jim jimwentzell I guess it is the postage rate that is definitely a bit unusual to say the least! 11Marks airmail stamps of 1922 used on June 16 1923 . Germany underwent rapid inflation from 1919 through 1921 and then absolutely galloping hyperinflation million times by the summer of 1923 . To pay for postage needed a barrow load of cash, stamps denominated first in millions then in Millarden were issued. I don’t have tables for postage rates but by July the cheapest stamp was already 1,000,000,000 Marks. I have to say that “NURNBERG FLUGPOST “ or not, this confection never flew anywhere ! not just philatelic , it is a bit of fakery !
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Post by cursus on Jul 15, 2020 15:45:01 GMT
Registered airmail cover from Oslo (occupied Norway) to Düsseldorf on June 8th, 1944. Not so easy to find these charity stamps (for sea-death sailors' families) on cover.
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Post by vikingeck on Jul 15, 2020 17:30:50 GMT
Registered airmail cover from Oslo (occupied Norway) to Düsseldorf on June 8th, 1944. Not so easy to find these charity stamps (for sea-death sailors' families) on cover.
Though the Mainland of Norway was occupied by Germany 1940-45 , the Norwegian Merchant Navy operating from Britain and America, was one of the main shipping fleets transporting materiel across the Atlantic in convoys dodging the U-boat wolf packs. Many were sunk with huge loss of life. Stamps were issued in London for Norwegian use and a special cancel for the Merchant Fleet was used in London.
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Post by vikingeck on Aug 12, 2020 14:18:58 GMT
Still in WWII period this month, with a little background to set the scene. Here is a letter from Devon England to Switzerland posted 8 SEPTEMBER 1939 just 5 days after Britain declared war on Germany, following the invasion of Poland on 1st September. Presumably writing on the 7th September, the lady writing the letter, Miss Dodgson, is excited and wants to update her friend Mrs Sansom who seems to be on holiday in Switzerland, with the latest news from home. Genealogy Note: Anna Constance Edith Dodgson 1884-1974 was a daughter of the Rev Francis Vernon Dodgson and his wife Constance, of Sunny Cliff Mortehoe N Devon.
At the time of writing she was unmarried, aged 55. I have not been able to find Mrs G S Sansom, but there is still a Schweizerhof Hotel in Grindelwald. The rate to Switzerland in 1939 was 2½d she has used a Postal stationery 1½d embossed envelope + a regular 1d definitive to make the rate. All foreign mail was opened, censored and resealed in London with a gummed label. This time the Censor was concerned at the contents. Unfortunately I do not have the letter so can only speculate what she might have said. Britain was mobilising, and conscription meant all men between 18 and 41 were liable to be called up for service so Miss Dodgson must have mentioned something of this in her letter! The green label instructs the Post Office to return the mail to the sender and says the reason is mentioned inside, to reinforce this message the return address is written in red pencil. What is nice and unusual, and is the icing on the cake, is the Censor's enclosure explaining what she has to do to get the letter approved and sent to Switzerland ........"Dont mention Soldiers" So often these enclosures are simply thrown away or separated from the envelope and we are left to wonder what the reason was .
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Post by vikingeck on Sept 6, 2020 15:21:47 GMT
September already , reminds my of the years I spent in the southern Hemisphere with Spring on its way!! Now already our days are shortening after long summer daylight . My postal history this time is Samoa again in the 1890s, what is termed a " MIXED FRANKING" ie the stamps of two different countries on the same letter where each stamp performed a proper individual function. Samoa was not yet accepted by the UPU as a member so it had to negotiate acceptance with individual countries for reciprocal mail payment. Only New Zealand and Australia accepted Samoan Stamps and the USA accepted them as far as Sam Francisco. Onward transmission needed extra postage . An agent in San Francisco applied US stamps and charged the Samoan office on a regular basis APIA 28 FEB 1894 to Berlin This was a double weight letter so 2x 2½-d for postage to San Francisco plus 2x5c for onward transmission and 3c for US Registration The endorsement on the back is "F M Apia Samoa " which is the usual way that Carl Marquardt's brother Fritz sent his mail. Fritz had been Chief of Police in Samoa for a time and had connections with Samoan Chiefs. The 1890s decade was a time of great world Expositions and as Impresarios , the Marquardt Brothers exhibited a Samoan village troupe , A kind of touring human circus for Germans to see representatives of their colonial empire ! / Postcard c 1910 " Gebruder Marquardt's Volkerschafliche Schaustellung " Die Samoaner". Dorfansicht . In der Mitte Furst Tamasese" The Brothers Marquardt's National display " The Samoans" Village view . In the middle Prince Tamasese"
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Post by JeffS on Sept 6, 2020 15:34:16 GMT
vikingeck - I just want to say I have the greatest appreciation for your Samoa collecting interests. Jeff
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Post by vikingeck on Sept 6, 2020 19:14:54 GMT
vikingeck - I just want to say I have the greatest appreciation for your Samoa collecting interests. Jeff Thanks Jeff , I just added. Postcard and some more info to the story.
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Post by bcuddy on Sept 21, 2020 14:42:39 GMT
I have been looking for a thread or sub board specifically dealing with POSTAL HISTORY but couldn't find one. I think this merits a thread on its own rather than just a listing under Bulgaria. vikingeck - I could spend all day reading this thread. This is truly fascinating stuff. You have such great detail on every aspect of the cover. How do you go about researching this? Where do you start? What is your process? What resources do you use?
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Post by vikingeck on Sept 21, 2020 17:06:57 GMT
Well thanks bcuddy for your interest and comments. Where do I start ? I go back to 1948 when as a small boy I got my first stamps and an album for my 7th birthday. The album had notes under each country title, which taught me there was more to this hobby than just gathering stamps. I got hooked on the story or the reason behind the stamp. Fast forward to 1970 when my growing serious special collection of Denmark got a few covers added and I started hearing some senior members of the local stamp club talking "postal History", where the rates and the routes taken by the letter were more important to them than the stamp on the cover! My 5 frame exhibit of classic Denmark eventually had about 60-70% stamps +30-40% covers showing usage. Move on to 1990 and my attempts at topical collecting involved researching background,to create a story. Encyclopaedias, catalogues, magazines, specialist books and contact with other collectors whose work in the same areas may have been published, now much easier to get info through forums like this where some one out there knows the answer to the puzzle bothering you. By 2000 Open class or Social Philately exhibiting started in Europe where information about the people writing or receiving the letter was now important and ephemera could be added which would not fit in a topical exhibit. So now "Google is your friend" as they say, or at least it can be a springboard into further enquiries. I guess I have spent a lifetime raking and rummaging in dealers boxes for anything that strikes me as unusual or interesting, and if after 70 years collecting I find something I have not seen before, that is a challenge to find out more! I look at the stamp, I check the postmark , are there any etiquettes? check the address , is the rate correct? are there any manuscript marks from a Post office? Is there an arrival datestamp on the back? has the sender or the recipient an unusual name which might pop up in Wikipedia? all of this adds up to a bit of a story
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Post by vikingeck on Mar 6, 2021 15:52:46 GMT
Been nearly 6 months since I added anything to this thread, but for the magnificent sum of £1 (50p each!) I have just received 2 interesting postcards from 1916 S o what is the story here . 1. They have identical greetings messages , "thinking of you , hope you like the parcel we sent " and signed M P Mead Hon Secretary of the Prisoners Fund , A relief charity. Posted from Teddington 27 Nov 1916
2. they are to two Tommies,POWs in different camps in Germany. Not the best of addresses at Christmas, but with the dreadful Battle of the Somme thoroughly bogged down in sticky, stinking mud, having cost 450,000 British, 280,000 French and 430,000 German casualties Killed, missing or wounded since it started on 1st July , certainly a lot safer than the front line right now.
3 the cards do not require a stamp as POW mail is free postage
4 the cards were never delivered however. There is a boxed hand stamp [Picture Postcards are returned by the Censor].It seems that censors are worried that as postcards were made up from two different surfaces they could be split apart , a secret message inserted and then glued together again! So right from the start of the war in 1914, it was forbidden to send a picture postcard abroad.
Plain cards which could not be split were ok, but even these innocent messages were not allowed.
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Google "MEAD TEDDINGTON" produces the information that Mrs Maud Phillips Mead ( Hon Secretary of the Prisoners Fund) . was instrumental in establishing a War memorial and a Hospital in Teddington following the death in 1916 of her sons Christopher and Geoffrey Killed in action . Christopher was a Lt in the 2nd Battalion East Surrey Regiment, to which both the POWs above were attached
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Post by vikingeck on Nov 21, 2021 13:17:33 GMT
I can't believe it is 8 months since I last posted in this thread. Have I not seen any interesting Postal History since March Well of course I have, The Stamp collector looks at the stamp and sometimes tears it off for soaking The Postmark collector looks at the cancel The postal Historian looks at the rate, the usage and the datestamps to trace the route The Social historian looks at the name and address Here is something for all of these collectors. 1.First, the stamps are GB 1d red Die 1 , Reserve plate 2 SG 17 but poorly centred not terribly interesting. 2.The cancel is barred oval " "O*O". now that is interesting. It was used by the British Army Post Office in the Crimea war 1853-56. and the writer has put the date August 9th 1855 at the top 3.Now the rate At that time 6d was the foreign letter rate in Europe, but Serving Soldiers got a half price concession rate of 3d so that pays to GB . Unfortunately the letter had to be re addressed, so and extra 1d "/ "has to be added. and we have a datestamp of Windsor AU 24 when that happened
4.The Address is to " the Viscount Hinchingbrook, Eton" . This is the title of the eldest sons of the Earl of Sandwich. This Gentleman was a 16 year old pupil at Eton College in 1855, in later life on the death of his father he became the 8th Earl of Sandwich.
5 Originally the route was written "Via Marseilles" because the quickest route from the Crimea was French steamer across the Mediterranean and train through France to Britain. When it was readdressed the postal clerk in Windsor scored out the Marseilles as it was no longer relevant.
When we look at the back the real fun with routing begins as there are 6 postmarks to add to the two on the front 8 postal officials involved handling this precious letter delivered from a war Zone in 2 weeks !
BRITISH ARMY POST OFFICE AU13
CX AU23 (Faint London arrival)
WINDSOR AU23
ETON AU 24
The WINDSOR mark from the front AU24 for readdressed
E CROWN U 25 AU ( London inspection )
HUNTINGDON arrival AU25
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Post by kasvik on Nov 27, 2021 12:13:36 GMT
I can't believe it is 8 months since I last posted in this thread. Have I not seen any interesting Postal History since March Quite the cover. Your four-fold division of collecting rings true. The 0*0 cancel is completely new to me. And the obliterated Marseilles is an inspired diagnosis. An analysis this nice that deserves a through write-up. Do it!
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