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Post by vikingeck on Jun 24, 2019 11:21:13 GMT
I have been looking for a thread or sub board specifically dealing with POSTAL HISTORY but couldn't find one. I think this merits a thread on its own rather than just a listing under Bulgaria. We collect stamps and aim to build a complete country by set or series but what do we do with all those duplicates? If we have too many they become an embarrassment for storage, so we check for varieties of shade , perforations, watermarks, print flaws and keep the best. We maybe look out interesting postmarks , then what? Stamps on cover often have a story which is more interesting than the Stamps. Take a look at this piece of BULGARIAN POSTAL HISTORY : It is 1916 . Bulgaria is at war as an ally of Germany , Austro-Hungary and Turkey. Mail even to an allied country, requires military censor.Letters are opened,resealed and handstamped with the Violet Military Censor mark. I think the signature on the front is probably the censoring officer. The letter is sent from VARNA to Vienna to a family firm of Sephardic Jews . The contents are important so the letter is Registered with the Black boxed "R" and a manuscript number 633. An extra service not often seen is the pink A.R. etiquette "avis de recepcion" advice of receipt which would carry a label to be retuned to the sender once the adressee has signed for the letter. Is there anything else? Well there is an anomaly in the date. On the back we can see "27 Ju " but the Postmark seems to be "1 -VI 916" Did the post master forget to reset the month slug for July ? Now I need to explain the postal charges can anyone help ? 40 stotinki = Rate to Austria ? + Registered ? + AR fee ?
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Post by kosmo on Jun 24, 2019 11:52:16 GMT
I see 1-V. 916.On the back of Varna 27Ju...It looks like the piece is a postal address.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jun 24, 2019 12:47:46 GMT
Alex ( vikingeck ), I agree with kosmo . I think you are looking at part of the return postal address on the back, not part of a date. As for the best place to put this thread, I would have suggested starting it in the Bulgaria sub-board, but putting "postal history" in the name of the thread to invite others to post examples from the same area. But putting under General Discussion works, too, I suppose. I'm just not a big fan of the "catch-all" style threads, as it becomes almost impossible to locate specific items in a search. That's when thread location becomes important. Otherwise, it doesn't really matter.
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Post by vikingeck on Jun 24, 2019 14:54:55 GMT
Thanks Kosmo and Chris , of course it is an address "27 JU...….." and not a date! I feel a bit foolish!
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Post by vikingeck on Jun 26, 2019 15:10:43 GMT
Now I started this thread deliberately in the hope that some others might add some covers which have a bit of a story or need some explanation> Why not pick a cover which has more to say than just the stamps, describe what you know and invite others to add more information? From Australia to London rated 2/1d (in 1942 about 50 US cents) Expensive wartime airmail! This was mailed in January 1942 a few weeks after Pearl Harbour, so was the " American Clipper Mail" service still operating ? Anyway it is addressed to London Record office for the Royal Australian Airforce (RAAF) who find Pilot Officer Saunders is with 209 Squadron . This lot moved around a bit having been based in the North of Scotland but by March 1942 was in Pembroke in Wales. What was unusual about 209 squadron was they flew a variety of Flying boats Catalinas and Sunderlands so were base at seaports rather than Airfields. (As a personal aside , my Dad was a Draughtsman engineer building the Short Sunderland Flying Boat) Perhaps because the Squadron Moved, or perhaps because of Wartime casualties there is an instruction to return the letter if not claimed in 7 days. I wonder if any Aussie member can find out more about Pilot Officer Saunders? P.O. is the most junior Commissioned rank in the RAF equivalent to a second Lieutenant
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Post by vikingeck on Jul 3, 2019 9:27:17 GMT
Today's piece of recently acquired Postal History steps back in time to 1821 Envelopes were not in use . Letters were charged by distance and number of pages, so usually just a single page was folded and sealed with wax ( an envelope would have cost double rate!) This is a folded letter form LONDON 9 July 1821 to Glasgow . The Glasgow double ring mark is for its arrival in Glasgow on the M = Morning 12 July . and the number 405 -G indicates the distance from LONDON. a letter travelling that distance would normally cost 1/2d (one shilling and two Pence) + an extra ½d ( half penny) for the Scottish road tax on 4 wheel carriages, a tidy sum in those days and usually paid by the receiver. However Parliament had granted the privilege of FREE POST to Members of Parliament, Nobility and Bishops who were reqired on their honour to sign the front of the letter ( hence the signature which I cannot read in the lower left). The free post in this case is shown in RED with a Double ring Crown mark from London. Often this system was abused by persons not entitled to Free post by getting letters signed and sent as a favour , or even , (SHOCK, HORROR REALLY!) by a small bribe as some Members sold the privilege! The signature on the outside of this letter is different from the writer inside. The system was much abused and in 1839 The post office moved RowlandHill's postal reform to uniform Penny postage anywhere in GB. The letter deals with settling debt for payment of Law books for DEMERARA ( Guyana) . Scots were much involved in the Sugar trade there in 1820 , and no doubt in Slavery also.
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Post by blaamand on Jul 3, 2019 10:01:36 GMT
vikingeck - That's a beautiful piece of postal history - supported by an informative and interesting write-up - thanks for sharing.
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Post by vikingeck on Jul 9, 2019 11:44:38 GMT
This INDO CHINA item which I got yesterday has a bit of POSTAL HISTORY and some Social History background. It is 1949, France is trying to re-establish control of its former Colony after 4 years of Japanese occupation but has little money to spare and not the manpower to fight a war so soon. In 1946 at the liberation the British army actually rearmed Japanese POWs and enlisted them to keep control against insurgents from the north until enough French forces arrived to take control! This 1st Indo China war against communist Viet Minh ends in defeat for the French at Dien bien Phu in 1954 and the partition of Vietnam, and predates the conflicts of the 1960s in which America was heavily involved and which is usually referred to as the Vietnam War. Life goes on and People must smoke! So a registered letter from a tobacconist ( Mohamed Ismael Aziz) in Saigon, possibly payment of an account with Reynolds Tobacco Winston Salem NC. with a crude local R etiquette. The 21$20c heavy franking on the reverse acts to seal the envelope from tampering . The stamps used were those issued by the French before the war and the Japanese occupation . a late re-issue before Indochina became Vietnam in late 1949 /
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Post by blaamand on Jul 9, 2019 14:45:45 GMT
vikingeck - you did it again! Another ecxellent write-up and postal item. It alls get more interesting when looking at the historical aspect and how conditions were for whoever actually used the stamps. Keep it up!
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Post by vikingeck on Jul 28, 2019 20:51:41 GMT
This week's postal history cover is a recent acquisition from the 2 day York Stamp fair. I pondered over listing it under FRANCE ,we have a recent thread on the Ceres issues, or AIRMAIL since it is possibly the earliest regular AIRMAIL service in the world . but decided it is simply a common French stamp with a heap of Postal history! PARIS 2 November 1870, and the city is surrounded by the Prussian Army. I can't read the postmark of origin but can just make out the letters ST.-GN. which I take to be St Germain in Paris ,and the star cancel has a number "20" which is shown up by retroreveal It is a tiny folded letter sheet printed with a Newspaper Gazette and has space for a page of neat handwritten message. A bag of several hundred similar items was carried on a Manned balloon, A Ballon Monte , christened the "Ferdinand Flocon", and flown over the Prussian army lines to land nearly 400Km south west of Paris at Chateaubriant for delivery at COSNE on the Loire on the 6th November. The printed news sheet or "Gazette des absents No. 4" is in 5point print and carries news of the events and conditions in the city at the end of October 1870 on two tiny pages. The last page is blank for a personal handwritten message .................... Et maintenant mes amis , j'ai mes devoirs ( my homework) …...la traduction ( the translation)
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Post by renden on Jul 28, 2019 21:01:03 GMT
You are not a simple stamp collector vikingeck - you are a historian and I loved that last post (being bilingual/french and enlish) - keep it up as it is good for our "brains" and I am certain members who can enjoy it will - René Canada Eastern part (49% bilingual in my Province - New Brunswick)
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Post by vikingeck on Aug 2, 2019 9:55:00 GMT
2nd August and today's bit of postal History is interesting but dubious! We go to South Africa Natal in 1922 and a letter is mailed in Durban without a stamp so the 2d rate is due to be charged double at 4d POSTAGE DUE. There is a tax mark to indicate this but it seems the post office is short of postage due stamps so only 1d is available , the balance of the charge is acknowledged using 6 halfpenny Cigarette duty stamps , 2 on the front and 4 more on the back. Cancelled 1 Sept 1922 It seems to be the explanation , but was it OK? the addressee TG Symonds uses a post box in Durban. So have we got a collector exploiting the system for a philatelic item and mailing to himself ? or did someone really drop it in the mail to Mr Symonds without a stamp? Was there really an emergency shortage of Postage due stamps in Durban in September 1922?
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Post by vikingeck on Sept 1, 2019 14:12:33 GMT
Now I'm back on line with full access to internet and PC files , the first cover for September on this topic of POSTAL HISTORY is a Mixed Franking / Franco/American /Maritime /Airmail with social history from 1929 / The letter is sent from Paris, France on the SS Mauretania (manuscript almost hidden by the US postmarks) and bears a 1.50 Franc Pasteur stamp. There is no Paris cancel but the letter enclosed has a Paris address dated Nov 13. It has not been written on board and the writing of "SS Mauretania" is in a different hand from the address and so the letter may have been handled by an agency for mailing and put in a bag on the ship or taken onboard by a friend of the writer who was sailing. There is a US 5 cent Airmail stamp in addition to the French one which seems to confirm agency handling as the two stamps are not cancelled until they reach New York Nov 22. So why the US stamp? The letter is expedited to the West coast by AIRMAIL from NY to Los Angeles and this has to be paid in US currency. Hence the legitimate MIXED FRANKING.
Now for the Social History bit .
Bertram Joseph Feigenbaum (April 19, 1900 - January 21, 1984) was an American lawyer, who served in the California legislature 1928.1930 and 1932. He was founding trustee of Cancer Prevention Institute in California his wife was Dorothy Bamberger to whom this letter is addressed, and his daughter Doris F Fisher founded the GAP clothing group.
The letter begins " Dot Darling.....
The letter is full of lady's chat She has just been married and is setting up house. They have a live-in cook/Housekeeper, a valet /butler, a lady's maid and a cleaner. The staff have to have uniform provided $75 for the Butler. The Cook gets 400Francs a month ($18) , the Valet gets 600 ($24) and the maid gets 250 Fr per month .The Cooks allowance for food purchases is $10 per day... she is going to get her hair done a meet husband for lunch in town ……………….the last paragraph mentions a friend died of pleurisy and another acquaintance who had come off drugs was depressed and had just shot himself …………. Bye!
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Post by vikingeck on Sept 20, 2019 18:01:05 GMT
Just making a brief visit to this thread again to keep it alive! This time we are in Afghanistan at the start of WW2. The principal mail route out of Afghanistan to New York ( the address is written in Roman script and Afghan Farsi with Arabic alphabet ) is through the Kyber pass to Peshawar at that time in British India but of course after 1947 in what is now Pakistan. Letters from Afghanistan invariably have the stamps on the back flap as a security seal to prevent tampering. It is mailed REGISTERED with a Hand written " 894" registration number at Mazare-Cherif and goes to Kaboul for onward mailing . The date stamps 9.2 41 also have the Moslem calendar date , and the number "894" also appears again in black ink under the red line, written in Afghan /Urdu script There is no Date stamp of Peshawar, but the two boxed handstamps [ NOT OPENED BY CENSOR H 2 ] originate in that City. The British normally censored mail and resealed it but not in this case. USA was not in the war in February 1941 and Afghanistan was neutral . Was this the reason? The letter arrived in New York 5th May 1941
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Post by vikingeck on Nov 12, 2019 13:15:47 GMT
It has been 6 weeks since I added another of my Postal History items to this thread . I was in two minds whether to put this in the "Mourning Covers" thread or post it here, but there is rather a lot of history going on here . The Stamp collector will see a Stamp of the South African Orange Free State overprinted V.R.I. ( Victoria Regina Imperatrix= Victoria Queen Empress) surcharged 1d British Penny . Issued after the British had defeated the Boers in that area in the South African war. It has been posted in ZASTRON O.R.C. (Orange River Colony) AUG 25 1901 on a mourning envelope to BERMUDA where it arrived OCT 8 1901 Jacobus Swanepoel was a Boer Prisoner of War , in order to get them as far from S Africa as possible the British shipped POWs first to St Helena, then to camps in Ceylon, India and Bermuda, Captured at Fouriesburg on 30 July 1900 Mr Swanepoel was given the POW number 11040 and because he was regarded as one of the more troublesome prisoners called "BITTER ENDERS", he was sent on the SS "Armenian " in May 1901 to Darrels Island Bermuda (3rd line , Tent G , no 10). About 1100 POWS out of 5000 in Bermuda were in this camp. Mail of course was censored by the British army . letters were opened and then re sealed . In the top left corner the sender has written " met haas als u belief" = Haste please I don't know whose death is marked by the mourning cover but the sender is probably his wife. " Minnie Swanepoel Tent No 521" on the reverse . To our shame thousands of women and children were imprisoned in makeshift "CONCENTRATION CAMPS" in South Africa . Conditions were pretty dreadful, with poor food and sanitation many weaker inmates died of disease brought on by malnutrition. Perhaps Minnie has lost a child in the camp?
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Post by kasvik on Nov 25, 2019 15:53:58 GMT
Whether an old cover automatically constitutes postal history is a tricky one, seldom addressed. I get the impression if a collector likes it, it is postal history. Signed by Queen Victoria or an old water bill? Sure. And in the sense of personal history, it's all true. Whether it deserves a capital or lower case H might best be left to Francis Fukuyama, but it is all H/history of some sort. I'm reminded of Patricia Kaufman's endless work on philatelic Confederates in her attic; she's a hundred down, 900,000 to go.
Which is to say, I don't know if this qualifies. Philatelically unexceptional, but truly awful to look at; someone still hoping to find a PoW in 1947. Sent at their own expense to the ICRC, which usually meant they didn't know anything, in this case almost two years after the end of the war. Oh, dear. It's for sale on eBay; I cannot buy it.
Sometimes this stuff points in directions best left alone. I'm not sure I'm ready to pursue it. But anyone know a comprehensive list of American casualties, MIAs and PoWs for World War Two, preferably with home address?
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Post by vikingeck on Apr 7, 2020 20:56:45 GMT
Today's piece of recently acquired Postal History steps back in time to 1821 Envelopes were not in use . Letters were charged by distance and number of pages, so usually just a single page was folded and sealed with wax ( an envelope would have cost double rate!) This is a folded letter form LONDON 9 July 1821 to Glasgow . The Glasgow double ring mark is for its arrival in Glasgow on the M = Morning 12 July . and the number 405 -G indicates the distance from LONDON. a letter travelling that distance would normally cost 1/2d (one shilling and two Pence) + an extra ½d ( half penny) for the Scottish road tax on 4 wheel carriages, a tidy sum in those days and usually paid by the receiver. However Parliament had granted the privilege of FREE POST to Members of Parliament, Nobility and Bishops who were reqired on their honour to sign the front of the letter ( hence the signature which I cannot read in the lower left). The free post in this case is shown in RED with a Double ring Crown mark from London. Often this system was abused by persons not entitled to Free post by getting letters signed and sent as a favour , or even , (SHOCK, HORROR REALLY!) by a small bribe as some Members sold the privilege! The signature on the outside of this letter is different from the writer inside. The system was much abused and in 1839 The post office moved RowlandHill's postal reform to uniform Penny postage anywhere in GB. The letter deals with settling debt for payment of Law books for DEMERARA ( Guyana) . Scots were much involved in the Sugar trade there in 1820 , and no doubt in Slavery also. I have to Quote myself. It has taken 10 months to get round to the final bit of this puzzle,namely the signature lower left . A.C. Grant It belongs to Sir Alexander Cray Grant who was a member of parliament between 1790 and 1834. It seems he owned 700 slaves in Jamaica and had major interests in the Sugar and Rum Trade . His voting record suggests he was far right wing in his views. A real far right social Conservative voting against parliamentary reform, he held his seat by paying for it or by rich patronage , voting to keep hanging for forgery, voting strongly against the abolition of Slavery, voting against the emancipation of Jews, strongly anti Catholic he repeatedly voted against Catholic relief and Catholic emancipation. He complained that the compensation he got when slavery was abolished was "robbery" Sounds a real nice politician ……...NOT!
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Post by vikingeck on May 1, 2020 12:29:29 GMT
Another month, and time for anther piece of social / postal history from one of my collections. Samoa this time in 1893 , a small group of islands which in less than 50 years since the first Europeans arrived in any numbers , now has a substantial population of foreign settlers and traders. Mainly German planters associated with the exploitation of coconut for copra a source of oil for soap making etc , had acquired valuable land rights. In fact the Deutsche Handels und Plantagen Gesellschaft der Sudsee Inseln zu Hamburg , DHPG nicknamed by the English residents the “Long Handled Company” was practically running the islands with a German Administration in the capital and only town Apia, with the cooperation of the various British and American Consuls The Samoan population meantime had been involved in a series of small civil wars and social unrest over the election of rival candidates for supreme chiefly titles and control. Though the warring factions carefully avoided harming the European population , foreign interference , support for various factions, supplying guns and materiel kept the pot boiling and caused criticism of the German Administrator . One outspoken critic was the newly arrived author Robert Louis Stevenson, advocate for one faction and scathing critic of one Danish German administrator. An embarrassment to the British Consul he was charged with seditious writing and threatened with expulsion from the Islands by the High Commissioner in Fiji the senior British official in the Pacific at that time. Questions were raised in Parliament in London by powerful friends and His Excellency was reprimanded and had to withdraw his threats. This scrappy cover with very ordinary Samoa stamps is in the handwriting of R.L.Stevenson was written to Fiji at the time of these threats. I wonder what he actually said ? When he died he was buried on a hill top overlooking Apia. The land it turned out actually belonged to Thomas Trood who later became British Consul in the German Colonial period. Trood gifted the land to Stevenson’s widow.
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Post by barbu on May 12, 2020 20:49:52 GMT
Very interesting and inspiring thread, vikingeck. Well done!! Thanks for sharing
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Post by cursus on May 13, 2020 7:21:25 GMT
A most interesting thread. In my view Postal History, covers from the begining of written communication to yesterday. Not so long ago, the early 1990's witnessed the fall of the Soviet Union and the revival of the Baltic Republics. One of them, was Estonia. Independent from September 1991, Soviet stamps were valid up to Dec.31st, 1991; although I've covers with them well into January 1992.
On this cover, in fact a Soviet Post stationary (issued for the Estonian Soviet Republic on Sept, 27, 1990) with the Tartu university, we can see the printed Soviet stamp, plus the Estonian uprating print of July 1991 (in Tallinn), an Estonian definitive stamp (issued on October 1991) and two Soviet stamps. Postmarked on December 31st 1991. On the back, we can see the Haabneeme (1800 inhabitants in 1991) arrival pm with the cyrillic text of Soviet post erased.
No a rare item at all, there are many around; but, curious.
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Post by vikingeck on May 13, 2020 8:56:19 GMT
Hi cursus, I thank you for adding your cover to this thread . Nice one sir. As always any cover is a challenge to the collector of postal history , even the letter mailed yesterday.There is always a question to research and answer, A “mixed franking” where the stamps of two different authorities are used legitimately, each stamp performing part of the mail journey, tells a story to be investigated and explained. In this , the first question is “what was the correct mail rate for a letter in 1991 Estonia?” Are the Soviet stamps sufficient postage on their own? Is the Estonia stamp actually required to complete the rate ? I suspect the sender with the handstamp Mr Kuttner maybe a dealer with a stock of Soviet Stamps to use up before they become invalid , but wants to make a philatelic statement of Estonian independence so has added the small definitive to make his cover interesting. As you say , not rare, but it is indeed an interesting time for Postal History , I thank you.
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Post by cursus on May 13, 2020 11:28:11 GMT
Hi Viking. thank you very much for your appreciation of the cover. You put forward two very interesting questions: 1.- The stamps (both Soviet & Estonian), the stationery and the uprate, amount for 70 kopecks. The inland postal rate in Estonia between July 1st 1991 and January 15th 1992, was 20 kop and the registered rate 50 kop. So, an inland registered letter up to 20 grmas was 70 kop. From these, 40 were paid with Soviet stamps and stationary and 30 kop with Estonian. So, both were needed. 2.- Hedrik Küttner was (or is) indeed a dealer. I've bought some items from him, but not this cover. Nevertheless, it was common practice at the end of 1991 for Estonian people (not in the best economic situation, with the colapse of the USSR and the political/economic turmoil) to use any Soviet stamps and stationary that they have at hand, before they became invalid by the end of 1991. On my postal history on the rebirth of the Estonian PO, I've about a dozen or so covers with mixed franking with differen handwritting. Like:
In addition, there was a shortage of high face value stamps as the newly issued definitives (going up to 2 rubles) were being mainly sold abroad to get the most needed hard currency. Hence, the issue of the Tartu tape stamps on December 1991.
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Post by vikingeck on May 13, 2020 16:51:05 GMT
This is a fine piece of modern (relatively modern!) Postal History. While some may be philatelic inspired,there is no doubt from what cursus says in his excellent explanation that genuine postal used "mixed franking" covers are to be found. These are exactly the kind of cover where it is sacrilege , or even MURDER to soak off the stamps
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Post by rex on May 13, 2020 17:42:21 GMT
I agree ..!
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Post by cursus on May 14, 2020 9:46:42 GMT
Another mixed franking on 31/12/1991. This time with a "Tartu tape stamp". Due to the shortage of high value stamps, needed for Xmas packs, the Tartu PO issued some "stamps" by perforating telex tape with 20 different values from 3.6 to 104.7 rubles.
They used 3 colours of tape. white, light blue and blue. In order to avoid counterfeit, they "postmarked" them with the pm of Tartu dated 18/12/91, in red ink.
This airmail letter from Tartu to Saint Petersburg (Russia) bears 5.1 Rubl on Estonian, Soviet, a tape stamps. As the countries of the Soviet Union were considered foreigners since December 15th 1991. This pays 1.5 Rbl (postage)+3.6 Rbl (Registered letter). Even with airmail, it took 27 days (postmark on the back) to cover the 400 km distance. The relations between Russia and Estonia were not very good...
Note: The Estonian catalog, lists these tape stamps as locals and gives values for both mint and on cover, Michel does the same but only gives value for a complete set (120 €) and Scott don't list them. But IMO Scott is not useful for European stamps. Too basic for us!
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Post by barbu on May 15, 2020 8:40:50 GMT
cursus - Nice mixed franking and very interesting 'tape stamps' - WOW!! A great example of how the history is reflected in the postal history, thanks:)
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Post by cursus on May 15, 2020 9:55:44 GMT
Thank you. I've an exhibit (80 pages, about 200 circulated items) that explains the history of the rebirth of the Estonian PO from January 1991 up to June 1992 (Estonia adopts its new currency). But it can expanded be up to the end of 1992, when Estonia issues the first stamps printed at Tallinn. Like you, I love postal history. As I'm a history fan.
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Post by smauggie on May 15, 2020 13:30:57 GMT
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Post by vikingeck on May 15, 2020 14:20:56 GMT
For the Postal history part of your cover smauggie can we have a wee bit of Explanation please ? What was the correct postage from Australia to USA? The "T 16 2/3" should show the deficit in international UPU recognised "Gold Centimes" which is converted in USA to 4cents. I'm guessing the postage should have been 3d, so 1d short then doubled and converted to US 4cents, but this may not be correct
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