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Post by perfs12 on Aug 31, 2013 5:12:16 GMT
 South Arabian Federation Qu'aiti State in Hadhramaut 1966 Churchill Commemoration 10f. on 15c bronze-green overprint inverted SG 66a |
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Post by Anping on May 9, 2017 18:59:41 GMT
These are the three values of the 1966 President Kennedy Commemorative issue; SG68 - 70 (can't find Scott #'s at the moment). Although I already had the set as singles, I noticed something odd about these blocks in a dealer's stock: On closer examination, I could see a printing error on the overprint on all three values in the same position. This affected the letter J in John. The slug used is taller with both left and right hand hooks; the one on the 35 cent is slightly incomplete (damaged?): I've modified the colour on the 70 cents close-up above, to better show the error. EDIT: Forgot to add a normal close-up for comparison: Below is a cropped close-up of the error, with a normal close-up on the right: I have no idea if these have been listed anywhere (certainly not in the copies of Gibbons, Scotts or the now defunct Minkus) that I have looked at. |
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Post by Beryllium Guy on May 10, 2017 4:56:31 GMT
These are the three values of the 1966 President Kennedy Commemorative issue; SG68 - 70 (can't find Scott #'s at the moment).
I have no idea if these have been listed anywhere (certainly not in the copies of Gibbons, Scotts or the now defunct Minkus) that I have looked at. Well, Anping, I have given it a good try, but I am not only unable to find any listing for these overprinted stamps, but I can't even find the underlying stamps in my Scott 2006 Standard Postage Stamp Catalogue. I have tried Aden, South Arabia, Qu'aiti State, and Hadhramaut.... all without success. I used the index, too. Normally, I am pretty good at tracking oddball stuff down in the Scott Catalogue, but this one has got me stymied for the moment. I also tried Yemen, and that led nowhere. If you can tell me any other name under which these might be listed, I will keep trying.
Can you identify the underlying (i.e. not overprinted) Aden - Qu'aiti State stamps with the year of issue and SG numbers? Perhaps that will help me find these, if they are in Scott to be found in the first place!Revision: I have now tracked down the Scott listings for the underlying stamps, but not with the South Arabia overprints for President Kennedy. I will post an image shortly. |
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Post by scb on May 10, 2017 5:14:56 GMT
Nothing in Michel neither. But nice little observation / discovery  -k- |
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Post by Beryllium Guy on May 10, 2017 5:36:25 GMT
These are the three values of the 1966 President Kennedy Commemorative issue; SG68 - 70 (can't find Scott #'s at the moment).
I have no idea if these have been listed anywhere (certainly not in the copies of Gibbons, Scotts or the now defunct Minkus) that I have looked at. Revision: I have now tracked down the Scott listings for the underlying stamps, but not with the South Arabia overprints for President Kennedy. I will post an image shortly. Below is the listing from the Scott 2006 Catalogue. The underlying stamps shown in the earlier post are in the set Aden - Quaiti State of Shihr & Mukalla, Scott #41-52. In Scott, if stamps are either overprinted or surcharged, there is usually a note right below the listing giving the catalogue numbers for the overprints or surcharges, and there is nothing in this case. I am guessing that Scott does not recognize the South Arabian overprints/surcharges for some reason. I also checked South Arabia, for which there is country listing in Scott, and there is nothing on these stamps overprinted to honor President Kennedy.  |
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Post by Anping on May 10, 2017 7:38:10 GMT
I am guessing that Scott does not recognize the South Arabian overprints/surcharges for some reason. Thank you for trying to find them. It would appear that Scott is partly in accordance with SG regarding listing policy; just differing in the time period: The inverted overprint shown in perfs12 opening post (SG66a), is actually the from same overprint series, just differing in the name of the statesman. |
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Post by Anping on May 10, 2017 8:00:18 GMT
I've just tried a little experiment to see whether that character is an inverted J, with a little ' flip and stitch'. But the flipped character (on the right) still looks odd: |
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Post by tomiseksj on May 10, 2017 15:12:11 GMT
Rotate the "J" of the original overprint 180 degrees to the left (counterclockwise) and it should appear normal. Likely a mistake made by someone unfamiliar with the English alphabet.
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Post by Anping on May 10, 2017 16:45:53 GMT
Rotate the "J" of the original overprint 180 degrees to the left (counterclockwise) and it should appear normal. Certainly better but it looks to me like this is a stray damaged slug lying in the type drawer. It's the wrong size too. It is possible that this type substitution remained in place for all three values, and that the 35 cent blue value was printed last, going by evidence of further damage shown earlier. |
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2017 18:51:19 GMT
From Michel 2014 Middle East - CV's in Euros  Black imprints are considerably more. A similar set for Winston Churchill precedes these. |
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Post by scb on May 11, 2017 5:37:03 GMT
Nothing in Michel neither. But nice little observation / discovery -k- And like falschungs scan shows the basic stamps are listed in Michel. My comment was referring to listing of variety... |
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Post by Anping on May 11, 2017 18:30:49 GMT
Black imprints are considerably more. A similar set for Winston Churchill precedes these. Here are the Winston Churchill black overprints: And here are the JFK black overprints: It has been documented that the black overprints were trials. |
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Post by Anping on May 12, 2017 10:14:09 GMT
Here are rather poor scans of the Winston Churchill black overprints on first day covers: |
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Post by cjoprey on Oct 30, 2019 12:31:18 GMT
Hi all, So I have a stamp from this state, which has an interesting note in the SG Commonwealth catalog (see the snip below)... Does this mean it's essentially a cinderella?   |
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Post by firstfrog2013 on Oct 30, 2019 13:45:41 GMT
My WW knowledge is limited but when I was helping Mom with her "dune states" much was not listed in catalogs.In answer to your question I feel they are postage stamps as they were Government printed.That being said they were apparently not intended as anything other than collector stamps which may be the reason they are not listed by catalog printers.A dilemma for the philatelist.Just my take on it all.I myself became discouraged with my Liberia much for the same reason many issues from there were questionable during ongoing civil war(s) and not "official ".
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Post by cjoprey on Oct 30, 2019 17:41:32 GMT
Thanks firstfrog2013 - I think I'll treat it as "unlisted" which isn't quite a cinderella...  |
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Post by rod222 on Sept 27, 2024 6:44:04 GMT
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