madbaker
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Post by madbaker on Jun 11, 2020 4:36:27 GMT
Hello everyone! I've been playing with Colnect and Album Easy. Between @coprey helping with colnect and @clive1 with AlbumEasy, I have a bit of a system. (famous last words!) I'm making simplified pages for some definitive stamps. I open a stock book and pull a subset, then check colnect for the simplified listings. If I have the stamp it gets logged as in my collection, otherwise it goes in my wish list. So the theory goes that the only stamps on my wish list are stamps that complete a custom page. We'll see how long that system lasts but it got me through two pages so far! Here are my first two custom pages. Not as fancy as some of the beauties in this thread, but I'm pleased with them. Kenya: and KUT: Thanks for all the inspiration here!
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stanley64
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Post by stanley64 on Jun 11, 2020 6:36:16 GMT
You should be pleased madbaker ; those are some great pages! The stamps already mounted are wonderful, the simple layout with minimal text is eye appealing and the fact that you omitted the '#' symbol as part of the catalogue numbering is a bonus (I have never seen the symbol used in any reference material). I look forward to seeing more... Happy collecting!
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blaamand
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Post by blaamand on Jun 11, 2020 7:28:41 GMT
madbaker - That's some wonderful pages! I absolutely agree with stanley64 . I for one prefer when pages are not 'fancy', but kept rather simplistic in style. I find yours "light on the eye", you should definitely be pleased with them.Well done Impressed that you are going the extra mile by adding description below each new design, that's going to be a lot of work if going to do that for all the stamps of the world! I note that you are including both catalog numbers, color and denomination as well. The sum of all of that is an ambitious target! Looking forward to see more of your stuff madbaker
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madbaker
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Post by madbaker on Jun 11, 2020 15:30:08 GMT
Thank you stanley64 and blaamand. The design notes are something I value quite a bit. While I'm not a thematic collector, it's understanding a bit about the design that gets me revved up. I'm just glad they fit under the stamp box and I can still see them! I probably went overboard with the 'inside the box' descriptions. I only need the colours when there are two or more with the same denomination. And the catalogue number might be overkill if I follow through with using Colnect for my want lists. But for now I'm adding the Scott number so when I go to a local show I know what I need. A pet peeve of mine is that I LOVE going to shows but never buy anything because I don't know what I have and what I need. So that's a big part of this, beyond having the pages look nice. What I like about Album Easy is that I can quickly copy each box, so after I copy/copy/copy/copy it's fast to change the text. And as I get better with my text editor I think I'll get even faster. And like Stanley, I put a lot of thought into the typefaces. I wanted something 'classic' but with a more modern feel - like 1930's modern. So I went with EB Garamond for the titles and Jost* (which is inspired by Futura) for the details. That makes me happier than it should, perhaps, but there you go. Mark
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Jun 12, 2020 18:08:18 GMT
Hi, I have unfortunately ... a trivial question See the Colnect screens, with this Mongolian mushroom-themed stamp:
You can see the size of the stamp in millimeters: 45 x 45.
But how will the size of the stamp have been indicated?
If the size was measured like this, the stamp occupies a certain "area used" in the album:
If the size was measured in this other and different way, the stamp occupies a much smaller "used area" in the album:
It's all here. Since I don't have this stamp, but I'm doing the "quadrilateral designed for postage stamp positioning" on the album, it would help me to know how the measures were taken.
Either someone ... has this stamp, or someone knows how these types of measures are reported in the catalogs.
Thanks to anyone who can help me.
Greetings from Italy
Luciano
I would guess it's your first picture. I have a diamond stamps from other countries I can measure and compare to what Colnect says just to confirm.
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clivel
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Post by clivel on Jun 12, 2020 21:59:44 GMT
I eventually finished my Palestine Mandate album which I started a while back. It is not a very large album, only 10 pages, but I had put it aside and then forgotten about it.
The album is available for download for anyone who wants, either as a ready to print PDF or as an AlbumEasy text file for easy modification: Clive
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madbaker
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Post by madbaker on Jun 13, 2020 3:35:27 GMT
I found my KGVI stockbook where I have been stowing away stamps from that era over the years. Turned up many more of the K-U-T series. Here's a page that's almost complete. I also have a 2sh and 3sh on the next page. Getting close! I'm quite pleased with how the pages look in their long term (ie, almost completed) state!
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Beryllium Guy
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jun 13, 2020 8:38:07 GMT
Very nice page, there, Mark ( madbaker )! Yes, you are right. This development changes things. At this point, I don't have any duplicates of the ones you still need, at least on this one page. Are you also collecting the similar KGV set? If so, let me know where you are on those, and I may still be able to fill a few spaces for you. I also have lots of duplicates of the K-U-T QEII pictorial set, so if you are collecting those, let me know, as I may be able to help you there, too.
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angore
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Post by angore on Jun 14, 2020 11:50:30 GMT
How important is the denomination order on a custom relative to visual balance? As said, I use Steiner as my base and copy the design to continue the style which is visual balance.
I am in the process of creating pages for some KGVI pictorials and they are different sizes so my natural tendency is denomination order but it does not look as balanced as putting taller stamps in center and surround with smaller stamps.
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anglobob
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Post by anglobob on Jun 14, 2020 12:47:18 GMT
angoreHello,my personal preference is to keep the denomination order as much as possible.I have recently finished this page for Dominica which has the two different sizes.
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angore
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Post by angore on Jun 14, 2020 12:59:25 GMT
I went with denomination but sometimes I have to keep Steiner style to limit redesign.
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Post by spain1850 on Jun 14, 2020 14:11:41 GMT
Sometimes there is a song and dance one must go through with Steiner pages and adding custom pages, or redesigning the Steiner version. I prefer centering left to right over vertical or even keeping denomination order. I don't mind a vertical stamp, flanked by 2 horizontal issues, even if it means disrupting denomination order. The problem comes when you want to add, say, a variety and you wind up with an odd number of one or the other, which totally throws the left-right balance off. Every page situation will be different. angore, As far as your page example goes, I probably would have dropped the 6d down to line 2, keeping the 2d's on line 1. Line 2 could be: 6d-5sh-10sh, which would give the left-right balance and retain the denomination order.
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madbaker
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Post by madbaker on Jun 14, 2020 16:28:21 GMT
From my scans above, it's clear I shoot for symmetry over numerical order if I have to choose. I admit I'm heavily influenced by the book "How to Arrange and Write-up a Stamp Collection" which I cited earlier in this thread. The book is 70+ years old now but there's lots of goodness in there. At least for me. Here's the discussion on symmetry vs. numerical order. I love the example they used from Madagascar.
Now, I adapted a little and aligned each row along the bottom. Aligning middle or top throws me off. I try for the overall page symmetry like in the diagram on the first page as much as I can.
You might consider this all overkill, which I can accept, but that's why we're all posting about DIY collections. It matters to us, for some reason!
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Post by brightonpete on Jun 14, 2020 16:49:35 GMT
The only time I mix up release dates of the stamps is when the series has different sized stamps. I go for a quasi-symmetrical layout. It all depends on the numbers and sizes, and how it looks one way or the other. Sometimes, symmetrical, sometimes not.
IO find that's the beauty of making up my own pages. I get to design them how I like them.
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angore
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Post by angore on Jun 14, 2020 18:18:01 GMT
spain1850 Yep I should have arranged as you said. I do try to follow the pyramid method (narrow row at top) and how I did goes against that. If I need to change it, I will redo. I did this one too as well. It is a supplemental one as well since Steiner only provided the major varieties.
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Post by spain1850 on Jun 14, 2020 18:56:21 GMT
A couple things I would like to mention though:
Steiner pages, which I do use as a base for my albums, do at times leave something to be desired. No album is perfect, and I doubt if any album will please every collector 100%. But that is where the individuality takes over. As far as Steiner pages go, I usually leave them as they are, good or bad, UNLESS I want to add something not represented. I don't generally redesign them purely for aesthetics. I have to have a better reason.
The last paragraph on that scanned book page (37), which mentions not splitting up a specific denomination, if multiple shades are mounted, but rather leaving them on the same row, is something I also do on a regular basis. I am always adding shades where necessary, and I do like to maintain them all on the same row. The downside is that some denominations may have more shades available than others, which could end up in an awkward looking page. That first example, on that same page, of the "poor arrangement" is something I routinely run into, but I am actually OK with it if there is no there way around it.
I also have a hard time splitting sets up over multiple pages, when adding in shades or varieties, but it is better than trying to unnecessarily crowd an entire set onto a single page. And some issues have so much variety going on with them that I actually design an individual page for each denomination. This is where I am at for Sweden.
One other topic I'd like to get opinions on is adding in booklet panes, souvenir sheets and other "odd" sized items. When I get passed all the early definitives and coils from Sweden there will be a tremendous amount of size and shape varieties, for things I intend to add. I'm sure I'll run into balance issues. Some things, in fact, I may have to run through the printer twice in order achieve the desired look I want.
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stanley64
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Post by stanley64 on Jun 15, 2020 7:33:43 GMT
Agreed madbaker , the text "How to Arrange and Write-up a Stamp Collection" and I often find myself consulting my own copy.
I always enjoy this thread and without exception, some of the recent additions have been great examples of the DIY principles; I see more than one idea that I can incorporate into my own pages. One suggestion that individuals may want to explore is aligning the stamps on a shared-centre line for any given row, whilst keep the headings or other text above on the same line allowing it to flow across the page.
I think this would work and perhaps solve the issue for non-uniform sizes but would work only on those pages that did not have text beneath the stamps themselves. Otherwise, it is a case of solving one issue, but introducing another...
Thanks for sharing & happy collecting!
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madbaker
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Post by madbaker on Jun 15, 2020 17:07:55 GMT
stanley64 Love this idea. Can't wait to see what you make of it. For Richard ( spain1850) angore, brightonpete and others, I know you realize this already, but it bears repeating. Maybe in one post on each page! What makes this beautiful is that each of these pages reflect the collector/author/creator. So they are perfect in their own way. I share scans from that book because it's quicker than me retyping and because it's so cool to me that people were thinking about this 70+ years ago, just like we are thinking about it today. I love how we all come to different decisions from the same goal - what looks best to us. So, for example, I would never want to use the architectural typefaces that Stanley uses, but I love them on his pages. At a glance I see that they are uniquely and beautifully his. And I love the different decisions we're making about the minutia. How our hard and fast 'rules' have to be compromised when the sets are too big for a page, or we want to work in shades and postmarks, or like blaamand, he gets into paper types and on and on. So keep those pages coming! The more that gets posted here, the less time I spend in the 'Scott catalogue rant' thread!
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clivel
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Post by clivel on Jun 15, 2020 20:08:10 GMT
One suggestion that individuals may want to explore is aligning the stamps on a shared-centre line for any given row, whilst keep the headings or other text above on the same line allowing it to flow across the page. I recently experimented with row alignment: The first row is copied from a Steiner page, the second row moves the headings into alignment. The third row of stamps are on a shared-centre line as you suggest. The final row aligns the tops of the stamps. I don't like either of the first two rows, I far prefer the last two, but I can't makeup my mind between them.
Clive
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clivel
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Post by clivel on Jun 15, 2020 21:17:22 GMT
For completion, here is the final combination. Clive
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madbaker
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Post by madbaker on Jun 15, 2020 21:22:47 GMT
Hi @clive1, If forced to choose between the last two options, I'd pick the first one. (#3 overall) Art experts would say that if you're hanging pictures, align the top of the frames (#4) but when I look a a row of stamps, that centre stamp in the bottom row looks like it's hanging there on a clothesline, flapping in the breeze. Which is a strange reaction to have to a row of stamps, to be fair. But there you go. Personally, I'm undecided between #1 and #3 and really hoping for a longer set to 'anchor' the page a bit underneath. Working with three single stamp issues like that sure is challenging!
PS - you posted option 5 while I was typing and that might be the best of the lot to my wonky eye.
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cjoprey
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Post by cjoprey on Jun 15, 2020 21:28:05 GMT
clivel - I think I'm with madbaker in that I prefer the "feel" of the last option you posted. It somehow feels more balanced.
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Post by brightonpete on Jun 16, 2020 1:09:23 GMT
I'm split between the first and last. I'd probably go with the first one.
But I have gone the route similar to that with 5 in a series, using columns instead of rows, they fit just fine. They were just Tuvalu, so it didn't really bother me that I did them like that.
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Post by pilot on Jun 16, 2020 2:25:15 GMT
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angore
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Post by angore on Jun 16, 2020 12:59:08 GMT
I would have gone with row 1. I like having a baseline that all bottoms align and any text is above the object. I did a lot on my Mystic pages. In my high school journalism class, we were taught to have alignment and avoid trapped white space. This was carried on when laying out yearbooks.
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stanley64
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Post by stanley64 on Jun 16, 2020 14:02:44 GMT
It is a tough one clivel and depends on what is being mounted. If all the stamps are from the same series or issue, then I like all but the second option. If they are disparate or separate issues then I think my only choice would be the first line as this line allows for each stamp to stand on its own. Just to through a spanner into the works, what about putting the text underneath? Just kidding :-)
I think you have some great pages in the making there and some wonder options, now it is just a matter of personal preference or style.. Happy collecting!
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angore
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Post by angore on Jun 20, 2020 14:22:29 GMT
This is not a DIY page but from my Mystic US Heirloom album. The layout just does not work for me. I have redone quite a few layouts (mostly to add spaces for varieties). Mystic has numbered all the pages so when I inventoried included the page number. If I add pages in between I did xxx.1, xxx. 2. etc. How would you have done it?
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madbaker
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Post by madbaker on Jun 20, 2020 20:38:41 GMT
LOL! That's a risky question to ask angore. You're asking folks who read stamp catalogues after all. you got your capital letters. 1464A your small letters. 1464a your variety signifiers 1464i, 1464ii or maybe even a 'supplement' flag: 1464S1 or 1464S01 And I'm sure there's more. But I like your method. Keep doing what you're doing if it gets the job done. When I print from Steiner pages I have a similar problem, because I only print the pages I need. So I pencil in the year the file goes up to then the page number, like 49-1 or 66-3. It doesn't look great but it works.
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Post by spain1850 on Jun 20, 2020 21:32:22 GMT
When I print from Steiner pages I have a similar problem, because I only print the pages I need. So I pencil in the year the file goes up to then the page number, like 49-1 or 66-3. It doesn't look great but it works. That's funny, I thought I was the only one who does this. I write mine in the margin, next to the lowest hole that I punch, for the binder. That way it's not that obtrusive.....and I write it pretty much the same way FILE (usually the date) followed by the individual page number.
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angore
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Post by angore on Jun 20, 2020 22:11:44 GMT
I actually merged Steiner PDFs so country is in one PDF rather than multiple. I edit every page I print to add a catalog(ue) number.
The page I posted is not my creation. It is from Mystic and their layputs seem random.
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