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Post by stainlessb on Aug 10, 2019 1:21:49 GMT
I have this lovely envelope with a nice penny red, sent form the N(unable to decipher) Mills Bank Co* on July 22 to what appears to be a (?) Thos Brochthurst in Macclesfield ( a market town in Cheshire England (Wiki), however, on the reverse is a date stamp from Barnsley July 21, 1848 (one day prior) { Barnsley is a town in South Yorkshire) .... receiving?  * the wax seal on the reverse apears to be ? Bank Barnsley the obliteration 49 I find referenced as Ba Msley Yorksire, rather than Barnsley at any rate, I think it safe to say this stamp was posted in July of 1848 Looking at the 1847/48 Plate which would be plates78- 87 I cannot find where this one fits in, looking at the prior plate run, not much luck there either  Top right floret has a slight break in the upper border (call it 12:30) lower left M, appears to have splayed legs... and also much more robust Also, notice the E in ONE is very weak on the bottom "leg" compared to the E in PENNY. Barnsley date stamp  here's the wax seal  The stamp appears like it may be on bluish paper..... but that may be irrelevant any ideas which plate??? many thanks |
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Aug 10, 2019 8:06:04 GMT
Hi, Stan ( stainlessb): Nice thread and cool item! I know little about plating these stamps, but hopefully someone like Allan ( tallanent) will be able to respond. I did take a closer look at the wax seal, and I think it says Union Bank. I checked online, and there is a Union Bank in Barnsley that was founded in 1832 and still exists today, so that fits. |
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Post by vikingeck on Aug 10, 2019 9:19:05 GMT
I have this lovely envelope with a nice penny red, sent form the N(unable to decipher) Mills Bank Co* on July 22 to what appears to be a (?) Thos Brochthurst in Macclesfield ( a market town in Cheshire England (Wiki), however, on the reverse is a date stamp from Barnsley July 21, 1848 (one day prior) { Barnsley is a town in South Yorkshire) .... receiving? * the wax seal on the reverse apears to be ? Bank Barnsley the obliteration 49 I find referenced as Ba Msley Yorksire, rather than Barnsley at any rate, I think it safe to say this stamp was posted in July of 1848
Cant Help with the plating I'm afraid but I can sort out the writing a bit and the date conundrum. The "49" is indeed Barnsley though why the date stamp is on the back rather than the front is not the normal. The postal clerk had to have two handstamps one to cancel with the number and one with the date of dispatch, 21 July 1848. Soon after this post offices got duplex handstamps with the two elements combined in one operation to save time. The addressee seems to be a family business " Messrs Wm (William) , Jhn ( John) & Thos (Thomas) Brocklehurst Co" Silk merchants and bankers from 1816 in Macclesfield The sideways writing was written by them once the letter had been delivered and is a filing reference to say " we received this on the 22July 1848 from the NORTHERN MILLS BANK CO" Like a number of successful merchants and manufactures in the early 1800s they set up their own banking business, lending capital to other smaller enterprises They printed their own bank notes You know me by now , the postal history is more interesting than the stamp " Postal History is more than just Stamps collecting "  |
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Post by stainlessb on Aug 10, 2019 12:26:55 GMT
Excellent!! Thank you both!!
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Post by stainlessb on Aug 15, 2019 0:17:14 GMT
here's what arrived today! My study 'group" is getting larger- but based on current efforts and focus... this could be something for autumn days  |
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Post by stainlessb on Oct 15, 2019 0:57:55 GMT
todays arrival! nice 4 margins- i purchased mainly for the Diamond 2 and 23 cancellations  And Volume 1 arrived of The Plating of the Penny Roland Brown with gauges!!! Tomorrow I will order 2 and 5, leaving me only 3 and 6 to complete the 'set'... may have to wait a few weeks |
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Post by vikingeck on Oct 21, 2019 15:13:30 GMT
Here's a challenge Stanley stainlessb ! It will not be possible to plate this penny red. It is Invisible!!  I picked it up from a dealer on Saturday because it was fun! For the1842 penny red, the ink included Potassium Prussate which caused the paper to turn blue. This cover has evidently been damp at some time and the stamp has gone, leaving an almost perfect impression in blue on the paper .. Fun eh ! |
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Post by stainlessb on Oct 21, 2019 15:56:50 GMT
vikingeck I think X-ray vision may be needed to solve this one! 
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