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Post by Will on Aug 16, 2019 16:05:15 GMT
Seriously... I'd like to know if there is a single person who finds soaking, removing hinges, drying, and flatting stamps... enjoyable. I hate it so so much. For me, it provides the less value for my time... a time i could spend actually studying the stamps, the part provides the most enjoyment for me. On top of being super duper boring, if you are not organized AND careful (and a bit lucky), you end up making a mess. Am I alone on this?
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anglobob
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Post by anglobob on Aug 16, 2019 16:24:52 GMT
I actually like this activity.And living in a hot climate means I don,t have to wait long for them to dry.
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Beryllium Guy
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Aug 16, 2019 16:38:42 GMT
Hi, Will: Thanks for starting this thread on an interesting subject! I have come to terms with soaking and drying stamps again. Once upon a time, when I was a kid, I used to soak stamps off paper from mail received at our family home for my collection. All these years later, when I decided to stop collecting modern material and focus on classic era, I imagined that my soaking days were over, but boy, was I wrong! I probably do more soaking now than I ever did, because, just as you mentioned, I often find myself needing to remove hinges from stamps that have been previously mounted or I have stamps that are stuck together. I think if you are willing to pay a premium for material that does not need soaking, you can get it, but it will cost. As I am often looking for bargains by buying mixtures and old mounted collections, it seems that I perpetually have a pile of material to be soaked. To avoid tediousness, I often will listen to an audio book while doing the activity. I would say that I do not love soaking and drying stamps, but I find it quite tolerable. In the end, what I like most about it is the results. If I do a careful job, which I generally do, the results are quite good. The stamps look a lot better when I am done, as I am able to clean them up in appearance, flatten creased/wrinkled stamps, and remove old hinge remnants. If you told your story to a Frenchman, he would probably tell you: "Bon courage!" -Chris
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Post by tomiseksj on Aug 16, 2019 16:49:52 GMT
I used to dislike the process until I bought an Apak stamp drying book.
I place the stamps to be soaked in the container of water and then go about my business for the next 20 to 30 minutes (shorter if the stamps are on colored paper -- longer if they are old Great Britain).
When I return, I remove all of the paper and hinges from the container, drain the dirty water, add more plain water to rinse, and then transfer the wet stamps to one half of a dish towel. Next I blot the stamps with the other half of the towel and then transfer them to the drying book.
After repeating the process as often as needed (the book has 10 pages and each will easily hold 30-50 stamps), I place the book under a stack of books and binders and leave it alone for 24 hours. When I return, the stamps are clean, dry and flat.
Like Chris, I am most satisfied with the end result.
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Will
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Post by Will on Aug 16, 2019 17:05:27 GMT
To avoid tediousness, I often will listen to an audio book while doing the activity [...] In the end, what I like most about it is the results. I place the stamps to be soaked in the container of water and [...] When I return, the stamps are clean, dry and flat. Interesting to know other perspectives on this. Thanks! My process is very similar to a mix of what berylliumguy and tomiseksj described above. Background music included (Bach is a common partner-in-crime here!) I don't do a two-pass step like tomiseksj does though. But still... I always need to totally exhaust my procrastination level to a shameful low before I get enough courage to start removing hinges If you told your story to a Frenchman, he would probably tell you: "Bon courage!" Nice... Merci! J'en aurai besoin!
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Post by daveg28 on Aug 16, 2019 17:16:11 GMT
I do enjoy it. I consider it part and parcel of the hobby. It's my wife who watches me do it, shakes her head, and wonders why I do it all. I remind her that there are much less savory things I could be doing with my spare time, and she doesn't argue with that.
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Post by stainlessb on Aug 16, 2019 17:23:15 GMT
I equate it with weeding in the garden. i love to garden, its just part of the process. Same with Stamps (and unlike weeding, i don't have to get down on my knees and crawl around!)
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Post by Doe on Aug 16, 2019 17:30:00 GMT
I loathe unclean stamps in my collection. Because the process of soaking stamps is harder now, I've become more willing to accept minor impurities on the back of stamps. The only part of soaking that I ever enjoyed was taking them out of the drying book.
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Post by brightonpete on Aug 16, 2019 18:32:40 GMT
I have to admit, I haven't done it much since I got back into the hobby a couple years ago. But it isn't that much of a chore. I fill my baking sheet with warm water, dump the stamps in, and pretty much carry on like tomiseksj! I have stacks of incoming mail to soak one of these days. Probably when winter comes. Same with the CTO Albanians I have. It helps me along as I must have ADHD or something like that. So I do a bunch of different things. This one though is finished before most other chores!
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Post by tobben63 on Aug 16, 2019 18:58:25 GMT
I don't love it, but it is satisfying when you have cleaned up old stamps removed from an old collection. Some with several layers with hinges on top of envelope paper! I do this as a side job when working with stamps. Just let them stay soaked for a while and work with stamps. Then I lay them in a drying book and put them on the bath floor (heating cables) maybe until next day. But I love to open the book and sort them I never soak new stamps any more.
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blaamand
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Post by blaamand on Aug 16, 2019 20:42:38 GMT
Remember as a kid I had purchased a 4 kg bag of US 13c liberty bell....I cleaned every single one of them! Bundled them together in bundles of 100's - more than 50 bundles... It took forever, but I actually liked it. However not so anymore.... The only thing I like about it now is to see how old "junk" from old albums seems to get a new life - like being re-born! For some of them a good bath can really make a huge difference, which makes it feel quite rewarding and satisfying. Sometimes the bath makes little difference, so if crucial to save the stamp, the next is to try Chlorhexidine
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Post by renden on Aug 16, 2019 21:19:59 GMT
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Post by blaamand on Aug 16, 2019 22:25:08 GMT
renden - Chlorhexidine works very well - it does wonders on some stamps
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Post by renden on Aug 16, 2019 22:37:18 GMT
renden - Chlorhexidine works very well - it does wonders on some stamps It does very well (also) in pre-op work and not too messy !! René
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Post by coastwatcher on Aug 16, 2019 23:21:49 GMT
I must admit that I loathe soaking stamps and have about 5-6 quart size bags with stamps from incoming mail that I need to do. And that’s not counting the stamps from accumulations I’ve received that have hinges or paper remnants that need to be removed or are stuck together. I actually liked soaking stamps when I was younger but, anymore, I think that I’d almost rather go to the dentist. I can’t figure out why I hate it so much, though, because it’s not like it’s hard or exhausting work.
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Post by Ryan on Aug 17, 2019 1:15:23 GMT
But I love to open the book and sort them I loathe unclean stamps in my collection. These are my two biggest soaking points - I don't like anything "wrong" with used stamps like gum or hinge remnants or wobbly not-flat paper. And I have great fun with the sorting process after the drying is complete - I have 13 drying books that I use so it takes quite a while before it's time to empty the book that has finally worked its way back to the top of the pile, and it's always fun to go back through those stamps I soaked weeks ago. I'm definitely a fan of soaking! Good thing, I have hundreds of kg of stamps yet to soak .... Ryan
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Post by renden on Aug 17, 2019 1:35:18 GMT
I loathe unclean stamps in my collection. These are my two biggest soaking points - I don't like anything "wrong" with used stamps like gum or hinge remnants or wobbly not-flat paper. And I have great fun with the sorting process after the drying is complete - I have 13 drying books that I use so it takes quite a while before it's time to empty the book that has finally worked its way back to the top of the pile, and it's always fun to go back through those stamps I soaked weeks ago. I'm definitely a fan of soaking! Good thing, I have hundreds of kg of stamps yet to soak .... Ryan Ryan Do not like "cleaning" but appreciate your "fun" René
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Post by stainlessb on Aug 17, 2019 3:00:59 GMT
Ryan Do not like "cleaning" but appreciate your "fun" René renden .... you have told me you do not "soak" no wonder you appreciate
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Post by dgdecker on Aug 17, 2019 4:23:33 GMT
It is my least favourite part of the hobby. As others have mentioned, it part of what is involved in collecting. I do small batches at a time. I do it rather frequently so it never seems I have an overwhelming amount to do. I never want to feel like it is a « chore » that must be done. There is music or audible book playing. A favourite beverage is usually close at had as well. Only time i have liquid anywhere near stamps.
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Post by kostia84 on Aug 17, 2019 5:38:16 GMT
I like soaking. Its like an occupational therapy for me. Don't see it as a chore at all. Yet, I only get to work on stamp a few miserable hours a month, due to other life demands. So it does not become too tedious. What was it you were talking about with that chlorhexidine thing blaamand renden? Is it about removing the "foxing"?
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Post by blaamand on Aug 17, 2019 7:12:49 GMT
No, unfortunately Chlorhexidine doesn't remove foxing / fungus / humidity damages. However it brightens up generally yellowed/dull stamps, brightens the paper and enhance the original colors. Search for this in forums and you'll find it's been written lot about it previously, even good experiments to show the transformation. Quite remarkable!
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Post by angore on Aug 17, 2019 10:41:48 GMT
Not for me since I do not soak. My focus is off-paper stamps I have a box with stamps from incoming mail that could be soaked. Nor do I soak to remove hinge remnants from stamps transferred from an album either. I remove what I can then remount using a mount - not hinge.
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Post by philatelia on Aug 17, 2019 11:34:42 GMT
Yup the soaking is tedious, but taking them out of the drying books is so rewarding! Soaking is our “sweat equity” in our collections. FYI adding a padded cushion to stand on really helped me. I prop up my iPad on the high counter in front of the sink and stream a show or an opera or whatever while I soak. Take pride in your skills! Not everyone knows how to soak properly or how to handle all the varieties of stamp papers and adhesives. Pulling a flat, smooth, undamaged stamp with no color stains from colored papers, and no glue residue and no thins or tears and no faults from oversoaking is the sign of a job well done by a philatelist who knows their stuff. Atta Boy or Girl to ya!
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Post by mikeclevenger on Aug 17, 2019 12:14:34 GMT
I don't mind it at all. I place the pile of stamps to be soaked on the kitchen table, two bowls of water - 1 for soaking, 1 for rinsing, drying book, paper towels, and stamp tongs. Then I tell my wife the stamps are ready to be soaked. She soaks them, rinses them, blots them dry with paper towels, and puts them in the drying book. When she is finished, I put a stack of books on top of the drying book. The next day, amazing - I have nice dry flat stamps!
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Post by angore on Aug 17, 2019 12:17:00 GMT
You have help!
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Post by philatelia on Aug 17, 2019 14:04:19 GMT
🌺 And then you take her out to dinner to rest her water soaked fingers, eh? LoL! 😂
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Post by brightonpete on Aug 17, 2019 14:41:52 GMT
No, unfortunately Chlorhexidine doesn't remove foxing / fungus / humidity damages. However it brightens up generally yellowed/dull stamps, brightens the paper and enhance the original colors. Search for this in forums and you'll find it's been written lot about it previously, even good experiments to show the transformation. Quite remarkable! Does it change the fluorescence of the paper?
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Post by blaamand on Aug 18, 2019 10:32:38 GMT
Don't know, could be. I've only given that kind of attention and love to the old classics 😊 issued before fluorescence and phosphorous papers came around.
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Post by brightonpete on Aug 18, 2019 17:04:24 GMT
blaamand: I have seen some products turn a classic into a vibrant vibrate version of itself, much like bleach would do. Have you looked at stamps post-Chlorhexidine treatment under a UV lamp?
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Post by blaamand on Aug 18, 2019 17:29:04 GMT
brightonpete - No, honestly haven't thought of that. Do you think 'dead' paper of classical stamps would react under UV after a chlorhexidine bath? As far as I understand the chemistry involved, it is 'active' oxygene in the chlorhexidine that binds to and remove the very outer surface of any organic material it's exposed to, but will not change anything of what's left behind.
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