oregon1234
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Post by oregon1234 on Dec 2, 2019 1:40:40 GMT
I have a bunch of mint stamps (no longer mint, I suspect) that were stored for 50+ years in envelopes stacked on top of each other. They are stuck together, gum side to gum side. What is the best way to separate them?
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stainlessb
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Post by stainlessb on Dec 2, 2019 1:54:30 GMT
Ah, yes...the heartbreak of discovering mint stamps all stuck together (and you correct they are no longer mint as they are about to become unused, un-gummed) Some references will suggest steaming, but I have never had much success with this. There is a product Hinge Lift, but if you are successful, the gum will be disturbed and it is likely the easiest to soak in warm water (a drop of clear dish soap helps to break down the gum) and then a second rinse in warm clean water before placing in a drying boolk, blotter paper, or I use paper towels with a very heavy weight on them.
You do want to rinse very well or (if using paper towels/blotter paper... don't know if this holds true for drying books) they just restick themselves and you have to soak all over again.
Welcome to the joyous world of soaking stamps!!!
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Post by darkormex on Dec 2, 2019 2:15:35 GMT
I agree with stainlessb above that this is likely your best route for unsticking these stamps. Like you, I inherited a stamp collection not so long ago, but from a friend rather than a family member and he had a number of German mint stamps, souvenir sheets and blocks in envelopes (not glassine) that were all stuck together. In this case, gum side to face side so, in my case maybe the limited success I had with freezing them was what worked for me. The stiffened gum and paper allowed me to separate them by gently pushing my tongs in between, however, I had to do so quickly because once the stamps warm up it doesn't work so well. This was the only time I tried this method and I had only limited success with it. Being stuck gum to face rather than gum to gum might have meant the difference and it was not successful in all cases. I also suspect your stamps have been compressed and stuck together longer than mine were.
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Post by vikingeck on Dec 2, 2019 16:02:46 GMT
Sadly I guess soaking is the only answer. then what you have are no longer " MINT" .
They are correctly classed as "unused, no gum" For really old 19th century stuff this may not matter too much but for most issues after 1920 it is a major knock down but the only way to preserve them.
I have used the proprietory "Hinge lift" or its equivalent, with limited success but found it affected the appearance of the stamp warm water was best in the end
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Post by Ryan on Dec 3, 2019 1:28:49 GMT
I have a sweat box for such problems, but I confess I virtually never use it for anything except to flatten out insistently curly stamps during soaking - if I put the horrible curly stamp on my Formica countertop and put the sweat box on top of the stamp, I can get the stamp in my drying book at the last moment without it curling up. Mostly I use it for hologram stamps - they spend the minimum time needed in the sink to get the envelope cutout off, then they get the Stamplift box put on top to keep the hologram from curling up. The box is made of plastic. There is a felt pad trapped under the perforated section - you soak the felt pad in water and place the stuck stamps on the screen, then you close up the box with its tight-fitting lid (which has another felt pad on its underside, to stop any condensation from forming on the underside and dripping on to your stamps). Leave the stamps to sweat for multiple hours and eventually you can pry them apart when the gum softens. The gum ends up considerably damaged, however, and then you need to let these moist stamps with sticky gum dry out, during which time they invariably warp all over the place. Maybe wax paper or something like that would allow you to flatten them under a weight so they will dry flat, I don't know. The only time I really tried it was with some Belgian corner blocks which were stuck together, and those were stuck gum side to printed side. When I got them apart, I was left with a bunch of gum stuck to the faces of the stamps which had been underneath. So, by the time everything was dry, I had ugly wobbly stamps with gum all over their faces and miserable looking gum on the backs. I then soaked them in the sink - no gum whatsoever on them now, but at least the face looks OK ....  Ryan
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Post by daveg28 on Dec 3, 2019 1:53:02 GMT
I ran into this problem this evening, and had an additional problem to deal with. I also had some old mint stamps stuck together, and I knew the only recourse was soaking them apart. However, after let them soak long enough to separate from each other, the full gum that was on the back was a relatively thick goo on the back of each stamp. How does everyone deal with this? Just soak them longer until the gum completely dissolves?
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Post by stainlessb on Dec 3, 2019 2:02:13 GMT
I follow the following "routine" I start with warm (like bath water warm) water with a drop of clear liquid dish soap and let the stamps soak for 30 minutes or so, swirtling htem around periodically (longer if they don't come apart_ then I move to another soaking conatiner (in my case stainless steel mixing bowls I commandeered from the kitchen and I fill with bath water warm water as a rinse, where i let them soak for another 20 -30 minutes.
Any stamps that I can feel the gum/slime on the back, go backinto another soak in the tub with dish soak, then rinse. Even a small amount of gum and they attach themselves to my blotter (aka paper towels).
Penny reds, I have left soaking overnight or for a day or two, changing the water periodically until there is no tint to the water
as your's are mint, the only concern is non color-fast inks, in which case it may be wise to soak in a clear/Pyrex dish atop a white back ground to look for any tinting of the water. Most of the stamps, even the very early ones are surprisingly durable
last comment, be careful not to try andf pull apart too soon as you may pull some of the ink the "underneath" stamp
patience is a virtue
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Post by dgdecker on Dec 3, 2019 3:37:12 GMT
I have only had success with soaking stamps in the way others have indicated.
a few times I have had to do four soaking to get the “ gum” off. I use a drying book and from experience I have learned to place the stamps printed side down on the paper page. If there is any sticking, it ie easier to remove from the plastic interleaf.
David
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oregon1234
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Post by oregon1234 on Dec 3, 2019 4:00:37 GMT
Thank you all for the suggestions. After an appropriate period of mourning (these mint stamps are in a strip and from 1920s Hong Kong and China), I will attempt to soak. My grandfather zigzagged the strip together so at least the first and last stamps are still mint and I will need to sadly tear them off the strip.
THIS IS SO PAINFUL.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Dec 3, 2019 20:14:24 GMT
Hi, Kristy ( oregon1234), sorry for being a little slow off the mark on this thread. Have you already soaked your stamps? If not, please wait a moment. As I learned from our former member Clive ( Anping), who was a Hong Kong and Aden specialist, there are a number of early HK issues that have "fugitive" or water-soluble inks. As you have now mentioned HK issues from the 1920s, I am thinking you may mean George V issues. Can you confirm which stamps you are considering soaking? I have some experience in this area, and I can tell you that some of the Victoria, Edward VII, and George V issues from HK are susceptible to serious fading when soaked in water. I hope I am not too late to make sure you will be safe in soaking these. Hope to hear from you! -Chris (aka Beryllium Guy)
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oregon1234
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Post by oregon1234 on Dec 4, 2019 2:03:00 GMT
I have not yet soaked them! Still mourning, haha. I am almost positive none of my Edward stamps are stuck, it's some of the 1941 Centenary ones. Although, I have soaked a bunch of Edward and George stamps and have not yet noticed any ink fading. Should I not soak those?
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Dec 4, 2019 9:22:32 GMT
Thanks for your response, Kristy ( oregon1234). I feel your pain on hating to soak what were mint stamps to separate them. I had the same problem when I inherited my father's collection, and some very nice stamps, which were never hinged, ended up as "unused no gum" with no other good choice. I am glad to hear that you have not done the soaking just yet. I agree that for the most part, HK classic era stamps are soakable, but there are a few that should not be. Please have a look at this thread started by departed member Clive ( Anping). thestampforum.boards.net/thread/4677/hong-kong-qv-fugitive-inksThis discussion was about some QV-era HK stamps, notably those printed in green ink and purple ink on red paper. Clive shows images of both in the thread. But I also learned from him that the two-color KEVII and KGV issues also exhibit a similar tendency to the QV, i.e. that green, red, and purple inks are prone to fading when soaked in water. For these issues, it seems to be just the two-color types (one color frame and a different color vignette/center portrait), with the exception of any HK stamp which is purple ink on red paper--like the QV shown in the old thread, it is my understanding that all of those are subject to fading. In these cases, I have found that the vignettes are the part of the stamp that will fade if soaked in water. So for those, if I need to remove a hinge remnant or something from the back, I use the Stamp-Lift fluid, and I only apply just enough with a brush to loosen whatever is adhering. Then I remove whatever has adhered and blot the stamp dry as soon as possible so as not to prolong the contact with moisture. That seems to work pretty well. I agree that the lower denomination KEVII and KGV stamps that are printed in a single color have been water soakable without problems. Hope this helps a little.
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Post by philatelia on Dec 4, 2019 13:36:03 GMT
Before you soak them, try the DEEP FREEZE! If the gum is only moderately activated, sometimes placing the stamps in the freezer overnight will separate them. Don’t use a sealed container or plastic so that the dehumidifying action of a modern freezer can access them. Best if you lay them out on a metal cooking sheet. I have had a fair amount of success with this method for partially stuck stamps. Experiment with a few.
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oregon1234
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Post by oregon1234 on Feb 19, 2022 6:29:54 GMT
Moderator Note: This post was made as a new thread titled Methods for unsticking mint stamps melted together, but a thread on this same subject had already been set up in Dec-2019 with numerous responses from other members at that time, so the two threads have been combined to keep all the info together and continue the discussion.
I have some 100 year old "mint" (obviously, no longer mint) stamps that were stored gum-to-gum. In the humidity of Hong Kong, they "melted" together. I was contemplating purchasing the safe stamp fluid stuff to unstick them but is that really necessary? At this point since they're no longer mint, should I just soak them and try to rinse off as much glue as possible?
Will try to dig them out and take a pic this weekend to illustrate.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Feb 19, 2022 8:04:34 GMT
Kristy ( oregon1234), I hope you don't mind, but I have combined your new thread with the one you started two years ago. You received quite a bit of information from other members on this subject at that time, so perhaps seeing this again will refresh everyone's memory. I am glad to hear that you didn't rush into soaking all of these. As I mentioned in my posts at that time (please see earlier in this thread), you need to be cautious with some of the QV, KEVII, and KGV Hong Kong definitives, as many of them have fugitive ink that will fade when soaked. Anyway, I look forward to seeing a photo of which HK stamps you have that are stuck together.
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Post by mdroth on Feb 19, 2022 14:24:59 GMT
Before soaking, try putting the stamps in the freezer. Leave them there - for several hours - and see if they can be separated. Doesn't always work - but sometimes it does. Much less damaging than soaking...
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Post by Jerry B on Feb 20, 2022 8:01:56 GMT
Hi oregon1234
If I remember correctly, a former member suggested putting the stamps in the freezer. If Rod's post is still on TSF you can probably find it.
Jerry B
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Post by Jerry B on Feb 20, 2022 17:34:25 GMT
Hi Whoops! Pays to read  I did not see mdroth's Post. Jerry B
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Post by rex on Feb 20, 2022 18:18:47 GMT
You could try the heat, placing the stamps in a small cardboard box protected on both sides by a piece of white cotton fabric, placing everything on a warm radiator. The change in temperature could change the structure of the stamps by detaching them. Proceed calmly, checking from time to time. The attempt may be successful.
Cold could also work, in fact both heat and cold would cause a variation in the structure by detaching them.
Without liability for failure or damage. Ludovico
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Post by rex on Feb 20, 2022 18:40:48 GMT
Another way, take a stainless steel saucepan (no aluminum), place the stamps towards the bottom side of the saucepan, blocking them between two strips of white cotton cloth, with a hair dryer, introduce hot air into the saucepan. This system is especially suitable for whole sheets attached using a pot. The aim is to heat the stamps not directly.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Feb 20, 2022 22:31:51 GMT
Your last two posts are interesting, Ludovico ( rex). I have not heard of using heat before to separate mint stamps. Just out of curiosity, have you personally used these methods successfully for this purpose, or is this something that was recommended to you by someone else? I am aware that the freezer treatment can sometimes work, as I have tried it myself. I learned from Terri ( philatelia) that it is important not to put the stamps in a sealed Ziploc bag, as that generally does not work, and it is what I did on my first attempt. Another side benefit to the freezer method, at least in my case, is that even if it doesn't work, it generally doesn't damage the stamps.
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Post by rex on Feb 21, 2022 8:46:31 GMT
I have not personally experimented either of the two systems as they were designed for a quantity of material that fortunately I did not have glued together.
I experimented with the system for small quantities, you can place the stamps in the middle of a handkerchief which will then be placed on the radiator, in some cases they came off by themselves without even touching them, in other cases there was nothing to do.
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Post by salentin on Mar 4, 2022 14:36:28 GMT
I have two blocs of stamps from Manchukuo with some interleave-paper stuck on the backside.
I tried the deep-freeze.The result was not bad,not good either.
Same block,less one stamp. I could remove most of the backing interleave,but the gum was obviously damaged. So I decided not to try it on the second bloc. Maybe the deep-freeze works better,if I sit inside the freezer,so that the stamps can not warm up, when taken out for removing the paper.
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Post by Jerry B on Mar 4, 2022 16:32:52 GMT
Hi
There is a set of stamps from Colombia, C68-79, that sometimes has interleaving paper. Colombia collectors that I know don't try to remove it.
Jerry B
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Post by racatrien on Mar 4, 2022 17:48:35 GMT
Often in countries where there was humidity, they inserted sheets of crystal paper between the sheets of stamps to prevent them from sticking together. I have had stamps from Madagascar in the past with the same problem.
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