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Post by stanley64 on Dec 2, 2019 8:51:59 GMT
Using the "Post Offices and Postmasters" Library and Archives Canada I did a boolean search for the easily visible portion of the cancel - *tonville and came up with 20 results some of which were easily dismissed as candidates given their opening dates but that still left me with quite a few options:
For those with knowledge of split ring cancels, do they exist for my remaining three candidates?
Appreciate any additional thoughts or input...
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Post by renden on Dec 2, 2019 13:36:41 GMT
Winmill says they exist but his chapter is quit limited on the subject, in his Canadian 1998 Map Stamp book.
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Post by stanley64 on Dec 4, 2019 7:57:31 GMT
Here is another split ring cancel, this one being on the 5¢ Beaver Stamp of Canada (Scott No. 15) from Napanne, UC.
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Post by stanley64 on Dec 4, 2019 9:07:13 GMT
For those interested in learning more about split-ring or broken-circle cancels, the Postal History Society of Canada has great introduction on these iconic Canadian postmarks...
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Post by WERT on Dec 5, 2019 1:00:14 GMT
Stanley64 I have studied the position of the lettering and i think it is a 11 letter word which would narrow it down to 3 possible towns.
1 - Newtonville - Digby, Nova Scotia. 2 - Newtonville - Durham Ontario. 3 - Beatonville - Inverness, Nova Scotia.
Just my opinion...Robert
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Post by stanley64 on Dec 5, 2019 9:17:04 GMT
Thanks for the input and I appreciate you looking Robert ( WERT)! The three cities you listed were in the original results from the output of the "Post Offices and Postmasters" Library and Archives, but I eventually crossed them off.
I agree with your thoughts that it is an eleven-letter city name but I believe it starts with the letter "B" and hence the elimination of Neetonville as one of the candidates. At the same time, the provincial cancel has a strong vertical line as part of it, so I eliminated both Nova Scotia and Quebec cities from the list of possible candidates. This leaves only the three Ontario cities that matches the eleven letter component: Bentonville, Buttonville and Bartonville.
All this is missing is the third clue for positive identification...
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Post by stanley64 on Dec 5, 2019 9:30:11 GMT
This split-circle cancel is more easily identified and comes from Colborne.
Postal cover with Colborne, (UC?) cancel dated September 2, 1863 & 5¢ Beaver stamp of Canada (Scott No. 15)
On a historical note, the community of Colborne is named after John Colborne, 1st Baron Seaton and there is plenty of reading material available about the man and his life including this article - Sir John Colborne... |
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Post by WERT on Dec 5, 2019 14:08:31 GMT
stanley64 That beaver cover is beautiful...Something is kinda odd...Your cover shows Sep.2 / 1863....BUT, BUT, look at the bottom of the split ring. At the bottom of your cancel shows ""W.C.""....Frank W. Campbell Canada Post Offices shows your split ring as ""C.W."". The post office when adjusting the time stamp may have reversed the "C,W," to "W.C." by mistake..see picture below. Very, interesting cover my friend.
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Post by stanley64 on Dec 5, 2019 14:31:09 GMT
Good eyes Robert ( WERT )!
The plot thickens though; from you posting, I went back and re-examined the cover as I recalled the receivership mark on the back was also a split-ring cancel, in this case from Guelph the next day, September 3, 1863.
Indeed, there is something odd here; the receiver marking has as its cancel the letters reversed as well, if our information is correct.
Hence my initial posting stated "UC" Upper Canada given the consistency between the two...warrants a second look :-)
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Post by WERT on Dec 5, 2019 15:09:28 GMT
That is correct, the second cancel is Guelph for sure...Now to add the the thought process, below is a cancel that does not
have "C.W." OR "W.C.", but has "U.C." as in Upper Canada...You have more investigating on this lovely cover. Robert
On second look, MAYBE the front cancel could actually be "U.C," and i could be mistaken...Without having it in my hand.
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Post by renden on Dec 5, 2019 15:37:42 GMT
Nice cover stanley64 and good feedback from WERTHere is mine: Canada #15 Vermillion on cover from Niagara tied by moderate target wwith "Niagara JY 25/64 C.W." split-ring cancel. "Toronto JY 25/64 C.W." split-ring backstamps   |
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Post by WERT on Dec 5, 2019 15:46:55 GMT
Nice cover Rene....Believe it is Toronto York district...
Hey Rene...stanley64...Want to sell them...??...
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Post by renden on Dec 5, 2019 15:57:35 GMT
Nice cover Rene....Believe it is Toronto York district... Hey Rene...stanley64...Want to sell them...??... Robert Thanks Wert - this is a prize cover for my Canada collection of covers.....for now ! René |
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Post by stanley64 on Dec 5, 2019 16:15:41 GMT
I appreciate the offer Robert, but not right now; I only have the one ;-)
In the meantime, I did take the opportunity to upload the full back of the cover though and note the similarities of the embossing found on the back flap. I believe mine has cherries, whilst René's is a ____? I am curious now as to who the manufacturer of the envelopes was and what did they contain? The cancel dates makes them too early for a Christmas card...
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Post by WERT on Dec 5, 2019 17:01:30 GMT
BTW Rene...Going to post office in about an hour to mail you the SQ stamps i promised you.
Robert
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Post by renden on Dec 5, 2019 19:24:00 GMT
In the meantime, I did take the opportunity to upload the full back of the cover though and note the similarities of the embossing found on the back flap. I believe mine has cherries, whilst René's is a ____? Mine has a flower embossed, different - When my wife arrives she will tell me what kind it is  René |
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Post by stanley64 on Dec 6, 2019 8:13:10 GMT
Yes, I think I got the easier one to identify in this case René ;-) If you do find out the flower type, I would like to know...
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Post by stanley64 on Dec 6, 2019 8:22:03 GMT
As Small Queens (SQ) were mentioned earlier in the thread, here is a cover with a Toronto split-ring cancel and one of those SQs dated 08 November 1877 (timestamped - PM)
Alexander & Stark (Stock Brokers and Estate Agents) Toronto., advertising Cover tied with Canada's Small Queen issue (Scott No. 37) paying the 3¢ domestic rate.
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Post by stanley64 on Dec 6, 2019 9:02:10 GMT
Here is another example of a split-ring cancel, this one being type 'B3s' from Liverpool, Nova Scotia dated 01 November, 1871
Cover with contents tied with Canada's Small Queen issue (Scott No. 37 - 1st Ottawa Printing) paying 6¢postage.
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Post by renden on Dec 6, 2019 12:53:04 GMT
Yes, I think I got the easier one to identify in this case René ;-) If you do find out the flower type, I would like to know...
Sorry that I am late - but do not control my wife's movement and social schedule will show her this a.m. when she wakes up LOL René |
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Post by stanley64 on Dec 6, 2019 13:07:49 GMT
No need to apologise René :-) As far as I know, we have all the time in the world... If we do not learn the flower type - no sleep lost; the thought was ancillary to the thread topic, but did allow me a Christmas allusion ;-)
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Post by renden on Dec 6, 2019 13:28:48 GMT
No need to apologise René :-) As far as I know, we have all the time in the world... If we do not learn the flower type - no sleep lost; the thought was ancillary to the thread topic, but did allow me a Christmas allusion ;-)
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Post by renden on Dec 6, 2019 14:23:18 GMT
stanley64Denise is in research mode for this flower embossed on my cover posted - we will get back but using id flower "app" - nothing similar René 
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Post by renden on Dec 6, 2019 15:41:49 GMT
In the meantime, I did take the opportunity to upload the full back of the cover though and note the similarities of the embossing found on the back flap. I believe mine has cherries, whilst René's is a ____? Mine has a flower embossed, different - When my wife arrives she will tell me what kind it is René Flower motive sent to s "flower specialist by Denise and he says it is a symbolic embossed non existent flower - so no true flowerRené |
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Post by WERT on Dec 6, 2019 19:22:49 GMT
Here is a couple of SQ canceled covers....You should check yours...Found oddities with cancels.
No cancel on this cover...It is what we call a "magic monkey marker" cancel...
This SQ cover has NO date identified...I know it is 1893 though.
Now, take a good look at these two cancels....The post master changing dates was not really paying attention. The right ""8"" of this 1888 date is inverted..Not standard.
Now here is another 1888 date...BOTH 8's are inverted...Some old time post masters really should take notice.
Robert
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Post by renden on Dec 6, 2019 19:29:10 GMT
WERT - nice to see all these details - I opened a thread to identify a cancel - hope you help or maybe you already did !! René
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Post by stanley64 on Apr 6, 2020 9:49:26 GMT
In keeping with the thread topic and on the subject of recent discoveries, here is another find for Canada's Imperial Penny Postage,
MERTON, ONT Split Circle w/ Purple-Ink Strike.
The discovery aspect is that R.B. Winmill is his text, "The Evolution of Imperial Penny Postage and The Postal History of the Canadian 1898 Map Stamp" lists only nineteen coloured cancels.
This recent find would make it an even twenty...
Happy collecting!
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