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Post by renden on Dec 6, 2019 19:02:17 GMT
Have not found a specific thread just for the cancels of the Map Stamp though the subject did appear in another thread but the title wass not appropriate for this as I am not discussing plating. WERT help me with this one !! Am putting up a color scan of #86b and a RetroReveal study of same stamp - I am trying to find the date and origin of this circle cancel (RPO strike) Thanks ! René   |
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Post by daveg28 on Dec 6, 2019 19:12:16 GMT
Love that stamp. One of my favorites from Canada.
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Post by renden on Dec 6, 2019 19:30:23 GMT
Love that stamp. One of my favorites from Canada. I hope you have the series 85, 85i, 86, 86b René |
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Post by daveg28 on Dec 6, 2019 19:41:53 GMT
Can you please explain the differences to me? I was only aware of two varieties.
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Post by renden on Dec 6, 2019 19:59:27 GMT
Can you please explain the differences to me? I was only aware of two varieties. 85 and 86 are not varieties they are Lavender and Blue 85i is grey and 86b ia deep blue....varieties and there are others cited in the catalog but these are the most common Ref: Unitrade Canada Specialized Catalog 2019 (my 2020 copy not in yet) René |
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Post by daveg28 on Dec 6, 2019 20:03:14 GMT
I have a 2016 Unitrade, so I'll look that up. I'm sure that I only have 85 and 86. Thanks!
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Post by renden on Dec 6, 2019 20:05:03 GMT
I have a 2016 Unitrade, so I'll look that up. I'm sure that I only have 85 and 86. Thanks! If you have a 2016 you will find the varieties - do not think they have changed in 3 years ! René |
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Post by WERT on Dec 6, 2019 20:52:19 GMT
Some interesting pictures associated with map stamps.
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Post by dgdecker on Dec 7, 2019 1:07:01 GMT
The relevant page from the 2020 Unitrade catalogue.  |
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Post by renden on Dec 7, 2019 13:32:13 GMT
Guys, incl. Robert WERT - my question to you re: cancel - was not answered - subject was changed along the way (I do not mind) but I still posted 2 scans with a question........  René |
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Post by stanley64 on Dec 7, 2019 13:45:55 GMT
Am putting up a color scan of #86b and a RetroReveal study of same stamp - I am trying to find the date and origin of this circle cancel (RPO strike)
Looks like a circular-date stamp from Seaforth, Ontario (16 June, XX) to my eyes, René (note: no direction or timemarkings typical of an R.P.O) As well, I have yet to see an R.P.O that does not include the "&"...
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Post by feebletodix on Dec 7, 2019 13:49:40 GMT
Hi, are you sure this is an RPO, Seafoth ONT JU 16 (19)10?
These days Seaforth has a population of around 2500+/-, I would imagine it was less a century ago and the first PO was built in 1859.
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Post by renden on Dec 7, 2019 13:50:54 GMT
This Map stamp was sent by my friend Stan stainlessb (with nice Mint Canada stamps) and understand we do not have a full cancel but thanks Stanley for you opinion an Gavin it is a circular cancel - forgot what RPO means, this early morning in Canada René R.P.O. Railway Post Office - memory came back !!! stanley64 and Gavin feebletodix |
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Post by renden on Dec 8, 2019 17:14:38 GMT
Guys, incl. Robert WERT - my question to you re: cancel - was not answered - subject was changed along the way (I do not mind) but I still posted 2 scans with a question........ René I really would appreciate your opinion on this canceled (see scans) Map Stamp - René |
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Post by WERT on Dec 8, 2019 17:36:12 GMT
Sorry Rene
This cancel is Seaforth Ontario, no to far from me.
This town is a hour or two away from me. Here is a "New Topographical Atlas" ""The Province of Canada - Ontario""
Page 25 under Huron County.
Robert
My book ""Canada Post Offices 1755-185"" does not have that cancel..Looks like a regular Seaforth cancel.
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Post by renden on Dec 8, 2019 17:37:57 GMT
Sorry Rene
I am not an expert om map plating..You may get answers here.. Robert
Canada Map Stamp of 1898
by Robert Lighthouse
I was not asking plating but just cancel "id" Robert |
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Post by renden on Dec 9, 2019 13:38:26 GMT
Since my 1st post did not go well for me I shall venture to put it back up, differently: Any thoughts on this Map Stamp cancel.....date....place......Thanks !! Normal scan and RetroReveal scans   |
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Post by brightonpete on Dec 9, 2019 14:30:31 GMT
Looks like "SEAFORTH ONT" dated Jun 16, year unknown.
Seaforth is nowhere near the sea, and is southeast of Goderich & Clinton.
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Post by renden on Dec 9, 2019 14:33:48 GMT
Looks like "SEAFORTH ONT" dated Jun 16, year unknown. Seaforth is nowhere near the sea, and is southeast of Goderich & Clinton. Thanks Pete - makes sense but it is the year I am not certain .....looks like a 10 (as in 1910) but wonder if Map Stamps were still used.... René |
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Post by brightonpete on Dec 9, 2019 14:36:21 GMT
I use stamps from 50 years ago! I doubt anyone thought any differently back then!
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Post by renden on Dec 10, 2019 18:19:15 GMT
Looks like a circular-date stamp from Seaforth, Ontario (16 June, XX) to my eyes, René (note: no direction or timemarkings typical of an R.P.O) As well, I have yet to see an R.P.O that does not include the "&"...
Thanks stanley64 for your response that got a bit mixed by me saying it was an RPO strike which it is not.....the more I looked at it since it was a given from Stan stainlessb, from California, I think I identified 1910 as the year ...for a Map Stamp of 1898 used 12 years after issue date ?? René |
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Post by blaamand on Dec 10, 2019 20:26:33 GMT
Nice stamp and CDS postmark René. Maybe you posted a bit too early in the morning, and confused RPO for CDS? I'm groggy in the morning to, so I normally don't post anything before I've had a proper cup of coffee, or three  I confused Chlorhexidine for Hydrogen peroxide the other day, so welcome to the club. Seems to me the year slugs are indeed reading '10'. Agree with brightonpete , somewhat late usage however not exactly a surprise. Nice strike regardless, and not a common place, at least I don't have in my CDS collection yet. A fine keeper renden  |
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Post by renden on Dec 10, 2019 20:42:40 GMT
Nice stamp and CDS postmark René. Maybe you posted a bit too early in the morning, and confused RPO for CDS? I'm groggy in the morning to, so I normally don't post anything before I've had a proper cup of coffee, or three. I confused Chlorhexidine for Hydrogen peroxide the other day, so welcome to the club. Seems to me the year slugs are indeed reading '10'. Agree with brightonpete , somewhat late usage however not exactly a surprise. Nice strike regardless, and not a common place, at least I don't have in my CDS collection yet. A keeper! BTW Jon I never post before having coffee and thee Blame goes to Winhill's chapter RPO strikes - Page 44 and my vertical reading - but he never explained what RPO means and looking at examples of strikes I did a boo-boo - CDS is on page 84 |
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Post by philatelia on Dec 10, 2019 21:15:54 GMT
THIS is why this forum is so amazing. I had no clue that this issue was so incredibly FASCINATING! Thank you, to all the Great White North experts! Your knowledge is really enriching my philatelic enjoyment of my Canadian collection. This is great stuff.
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Post by renden on Dec 10, 2019 22:19:14 GMT
THIS is why this forum is so amazing. I had no clue that this issue was so incredibly FASCINATING! Thank you, to all the Great White North experts! Your knowledge is really enriching my philatelic enjoyment of my Canadian collection. This is great stuff. Theresa - even the NORGE get in the discussion.......Jon blaamand knows Canada (too much at times ) !! René |
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Post by cjd on Dec 11, 2019 1:49:56 GMT
How about an inverted year slug in the cancel? '01' I know picking the stranger explanation is not usually the safe choice, but...
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Post by renden on Dec 11, 2019 2:36:55 GMT
How about an inverted year slug in the cancel? '01' I know picking the stranger explanation is not usually the safe choice, but...
Anything is possible, cjd and am c.c. WERT for his microscopic opinion as one of our good member flyspecker on this Forum....let's see what he says I looked at it more closely and the 0 is bigger than the 1 (?) René |
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Post by WERT on Dec 11, 2019 2:49:31 GMT
.Hey Rene....It may NOT be an inverted date....Some stamps can be use 5, 10, 25 and longer..It could actually be a 1910 date..Just a thought
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Post by stanley64 on Dec 11, 2019 7:53:14 GMT
Thanks stanley64 for your response that got a bit mixed by me saying it was an RPO strike which it is not.....the more I looked at it since it was a given from Stan stainlessb , from California, I think I identified 1910 as the year ...for a Map Stamp of 1898 used 12 years after issue date ?? René All good René ( renden )! Your zeal and enthusiasm for the hobby and for this stamp in particular, was felt even on this side of the pond - as mentioned, all good :-)
With the regards the late date, why not? I do not know of an "expiry date" at least for Canadian stamps, and have received my share of issues from the 1950s & '60s even on recent mailings here in the 21st century.
One of the keys for me that this a 1910 CDS is the three-letter month, not sure when it changed, but the earlier issues I have seen are always two-letters e.g. JU, JY, and not JUN, JUL, etc.
Still a great cancel and a lovely stamp; I like the red-plate shift to the right by at least 1mm...
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Post by blaamand on Dec 11, 2019 8:09:30 GMT
How about an inverted year slug in the cancel? '01' So good to hear from you cjd! I was thinking exactly the same at first, however then it occurred to me the year slugs normally remained in place throughout the year, so if it was inverted one might think someone would have noticed by that month and corrected the slugs? Then again, the slugs might have been inadvertently removed and then reinserted upside down. Many possibilities. I still believe it's just a matter of late usage. Might even have been used on a philatelic cover, which would explain the nice strike. (As we know, late usage is commonly found on philatelic covers) |
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I confused Chlorhexidine for Hydrogen peroxide the other day, so welcome to the club.
