angore
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Post by angore on Mar 29, 2020 13:16:11 GMT
I have samples of the Wales 17p grey blue and exists in two varieties - type 1 and II country. It looks like 2 are Type 1 and Type 2. What makes this interesting is that the Type II has a high catalog price.
Can someone confirm my identification? One key indicator between the two is a closed vs open eye.  |
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brightonpete
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Post by brightonpete on Mar 29, 2020 13:29:38 GMT
I first noticed the quality of the design before I noticed the eye. The stamps one the left are rougher on the edges that the 2 on the right.
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cjoprey
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Post by cjoprey on Mar 29, 2020 19:34:48 GMT
My first thought was that you've got two photogravure prints on the left and two lithography prints on the right angore . Then I went and looked in my Scott 2018 catalog, and found this, which shows that they printed lithography with dots and then went to the smoother prints:  So I think you've definitely got two type I on the left and two type II on the right (which appear to be quite valuable!), all lithography prints, based on the below bits from Scott:   |
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angore
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Post by angore on Mar 29, 2020 22:04:58 GMT
This SG's write up Stamps on left, eye is complete with white circle. Notice the wing tips with the "bits" not connected to wing tips. The background is screened. Stamp on right tongue is much thicker and wing tips match the Type II. Background is solid. Also it says Type I is phosphor paper and under SW UV it does have a decent afterglow and the other was much weaker so not 100% conclusive. The Type 1 has PCP and Type 2 has ACP. All things being equal, ACP gives a stronger glow than PCP. This from adminware Machin site. Type 1: the eye is usually open, with a white centre. It is not joined to the background. the arrowhead tongue and tail have thin stems. the claws are small. the hooks on the wings are small and separate. There is one in the space formed by the curve of the tail. the upper front foot is joined to the neck. There are two subtypes of Type 1. The principal difference is that in Type 1a, the vertical line down the body is broken; in Type 1b, it is continuous. Type 2: the eye is always solid. It is joined to the background. the arrowhead tongue and tail have thick stems. the claws are large. the hooks are attached to the wings and are large. There is none in the space formed by the tail. the upper front foot is separated from the neck.   |
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