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Post by biglavalamp on Nov 17, 2021 16:50:06 GMT
This exactly why i really like TSF you are always introduced to new areas of information of stamp collecting which is interesting in its self,even if you do not collect that particular area,and I know that someone will be able to point me in the right direction and improve my knowledge.
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Post by kasvik on Nov 18, 2021 23:02:08 GMT
This exactly why i really like TSF you are always introduced to new areas of information of stamp collecting which is interesting in its self,even if you do not collect that particular area,and I know that someone will be able to point me in the right direction and improve my knowledge. Agreed. It is a collective mind; invaluable. Individual we're okay. Together, extraordinary.
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Post by REL1948 on Nov 18, 2021 23:33:45 GMT
Thank you for the Bojangles clip Aaron (kasvic). That's the first time I've seen it in re-mastered color. Superb.......
It's been decades since I first saw the original in scratchy black & white. Timeless nevertheless.....
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Post by stainlessb on Mar 3, 2022 15:09:40 GMT
As I make my way through the Type Sage this obliteration caught my eye- 40 c Type II (Yvert # 94) I have not often seen 'Hexagon' cancellations, and what little information I can find points to government/levee, or registered mail. I wish there was more of this as I have no idea at to what post offic ethis may have been from- Date appears to be August 1901 which would place this stamp still in use after it printing of it ended (1900). The color looks like one of the 'red' shades (it needs abath) Any ideas? It may be city/commune Valence Department/region/county(?) -Drome. Valence being listed in Wikipedia as the first city for Drome, however further research indicate sit is the 8th largest. It dates back to 121 BC!!! There are several other towns/cities than end in -Valence, but they are rather long and it doesn't look like even an abbreviation would easily fit(?)
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Post by biglavalamp on Mar 3, 2022 17:55:29 GMT
In the french region of Aquitaine there is a town called Talence
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Post by stainlessb on Mar 3, 2022 18:11:47 GMT
you could be right. The "OME" at the bottom tends to make me think it may be the Drôme "region"....
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Post by hrdoktorx on Mar 3, 2022 20:23:06 GMT
I agree, Valence (Drôme) is a sure bet here.
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Post by racatrien on Mar 3, 2022 20:42:18 GMT
This is Valence in the Drôme (East of France). We speak of auxiliary recipe (recette auxilliaire)in French. Here is a very good site for French postmarks marcophilie.org
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Post by stainlessb on Mar 3, 2022 21:43:59 GMT
racatrienThank you! I have bookmarked the link Based on what they have, it is a " Date stamp of the urban auxiliary revenue type D2" The example was dated 1894, and there was similar one dated 1900, (after which the date changed to a numerical day/month) The 1900 (D2d) example is not as 'robust' additional information: "Hexagonal elm formed by continuous lines with a solid central circle. Indication of the sub-office number (alphabetic letter). No indication of the collection number, year on two digits. Attention for certain offices the alphabetical letter is not indicated.
Do not confuse this date stamp with that of rural auxiliary receipts. "
I saw nothing indicating any "official use" just an obliteration on a letter!
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Post by racatrien on Mar 3, 2022 22:24:31 GMT
I found this on a letter for sale on sales site with office B
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Post by stainlessb on Mar 3, 2022 22:25:52 GMT
what a coincidence! This arrived today Postcard from the 1937 international Exposition Philatelic Paris, with a p[aiur of hexagon cancels! Based on the link racatrien sent, this 'style dates back to 1904 (D4d)- makes me wonmder if it was 'brouyght back: just for the exposition? I have another 1937 postmark with a circular date stamp preceded by the 'wave" Is the addressee in Switzerland???
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Post by racatrien on Mar 3, 2022 22:29:28 GMT
This postmark lasted a long time... Good card!
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Post by racatrien on Mar 3, 2022 22:34:48 GMT
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Post by stainlessb on Mar 3, 2022 22:57:09 GMT
YES!!! I wish I also had the sheet of 4 Ceres
maybe someday- I have come close to winning twice- once unused, once postmarked
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Post by stainlessb on Mar 4, 2022 20:29:02 GMT
While working on a page layout for these I noticed the 20c Semeuse camée is postal stationary (I had not noticed before-same stamp as on another International Expo 1937 postcard I received from renden ). I am guessing(?) the Auguste Rodan stamp (nicely centered!) was added for international mailing (Swisse ??). The International Philatelic Expo was held from June 18 - 27, 1937. The hexagon postmark was for this expo (or so it would appear), but the date- the 24th and 1937 is clear , but what would normally be the month (number following day)- a poorly inked (or worn) 6 for June- or would they have continued using this after the Philatelic Expo closed?? (since the International Expo was still underway) I think it is safe to believe the postcard was pre-printed prior to the exposition. Were any ogf the displays left showing? musings on a pleasant Friday afternoon!
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Post by stainlessb on Apr 19, 2022 0:03:34 GMT
While working getting my Peace and Commerce issues off of Varios and either mounted or into glassines (and then eventual "something"...) This was caught my eye- the stamp itself is almost torn in two (very sad) because the is an interesting obliteration- At first glance it appears to be January 10, 1904 - but it makes more sense if it was 1884 (which I believe is what the year actually is), since this stamp Yvert # 92 Type II Bistre on Yellow was issued in June 1879 and withdrawn in 1886.... although I have seen other stamps with obliterations welll beyond their typical usage. But of more interest is PARIS and _A REPUBLIQUE (most likely LA Republique) as I have seen other cancellations with some portion of LA REPU..... Does anyone know if this was some sort of "official" cancellation, perhaps diplomatic??? anyway, I thought it interesting enough to share!
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Apr 19, 2022 8:13:05 GMT
Hi, Stan ( stainlessb ), and thanks for your post. Nice CDS cancel on your stamp. To me, it simply looks like it was postmarked at La Place de la République in Paris, which is one of many such places in the city, where there is often a monument or statue or something to commemorate an event or an era or a person. From Wikipedia: Monument à la République at the center of the square, topped by a statue of Marianne Photo Credit: Britchi Mirela - Own work, CC BY-SA 3.0, commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=27097539Hope this helps. I don't think that your cancel is anything official or diplomatic from the French Government, but it is a nice Paris cancel from the era in any case. I also agree that the year in the date is most likely 1884, as the "0" looks too short to be a proper zero on its own. It just looks like the top of the 8 was either damaged or under-inked or something, giving the appearance of a short 0. Other opinions are welcome, of course!
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Post by stainlessb on Apr 25, 2022 18:06:34 GMT
Peace & Commerce (Type Sage) Type II Yvert #101IIDb (dark blue) (quadrille back) Bussang to Einal, telegraph office postmark Dec 9/1897. The Epinal-Bussang Railway was opened between 1864 - 1891 rail line that stretches 56 km between Gare d'Epinal to Gare de Remiremont,( by car it is 64 km!)with the Gare d'Arches terminal in between. The rail line follows somewhat alnogside the Moselle River. It was partially closed in 1989. Electrified between Epinal and Remiremont in 2005.
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Post by stainlessb on Apr 25, 2022 20:30:17 GMT
Another couple as I sort out the die types- These 3 are all the earlier issue (non-quadrille), Yvert #90 First two are both Telegraph Office Cancellations for mail of some sort sent by rail- and the third an post office at a train station! a bit ragged, but an interesting postmark. Morteau to Besacon It looks like the poststamp bounced as it's slightly double- the month is difficult to make out, but I am guessing February (that is a guess), the day is also unclear, but it was in 1893, and this stamp is a die type IICd (Blue with no under-printing/background). Known as the Besacon 0 Le Locale railway line it was an important line for connecting routes into Switzerland. It began operation in 1884 a carrying pboth assengers and freight until 1939 with freight traffic was discontinued in the 1980's. The company to the state railway system (RFF) and some routes still operate. A brief history indicates that branch lines have been turned into continuous bike and hiking trails. Next is an another example of a #90 IICd, slightly lighter in color, but the white backgrounds leaves no other choice Issel in south central France to Clermont- I couldn't come up with much on this rail line, Clermont is north of Paris and Issel is in south central France. There is also a Clermont-Ferrand which is closer to Issel and has a railway line associated with it Clermont-Ferrand-Saint-Just-sur-Loire Last, and veryl ikey a #90IICd Maubeuge Train Station (Gare de Maubeuge) located in the Nord Department and ivery near the border with Belgium
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Post by gstamps on Dec 23, 2022 21:57:14 GMT
I checked the value of some postal cancellations in the Yvert Tellier catalog. I realized that I forgot what canceling "Petit chiffres du Gros chiffres" means . Can someone enlighten me?
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Post by stainlessb on Dec 23, 2022 22:12:55 GMT
the numerals are smaller.Below (left) is petites chiffre and (right) gros chiffre
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Post by gstamps on Dec 23, 2022 23:55:28 GMT
stainlessb, I knew that too. But what is the "Petits chiffres des Gros chiffres" category? is only one, distinguished from "Petits chiffres" and "Gros chiffres"
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Post by stainlessb on Dec 24, 2022 0:09:57 GMT
hopefully someone who speaks French as a native tongue will chime in, but I take the catalogue heading to indicate either "little numbers- big numbers" (and assuming it is full and clear to get full CV). Having said that, some post offices have a higher value to collectors of such things. There are literally thousands of post offices and I am not sure if all the petit = gros ( to the same post office. )
I haven't done a whole lot yet withthe early Ceres and Napoleon issues beyond acquire what I hope to be enough to study, and perhaps put together a modest 'chiffres" collection
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Post by gstamps on Dec 24, 2022 0:38:13 GMT
'Petits chiffres des Gros chiffres" = "Small Numbers of the Big Numbers" I know that the "Petits chiffres" postal cancellations were used at the beginning and later the "Gros chiffres" ones were used. There were not simultaneously (I think) both types in a post office.
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Post by gstamps on Dec 24, 2022 0:58:43 GMT
stainlessbI searched for the city number 2909 (petits chiffres) - it is Aisne. Notice that when "Gros chiffres" was introduced, the city code also changed.
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Post by stainlessb on Dec 24, 2022 15:19:01 GMT
Here's what France Obliterations 1849 - 1876 - , Jean Pothion. which was originally produced in 1940 and reprinted (my copy 1972). Very useful (written in French) , wasn't much cost as I remember. It does not list all the offices, but both (as I suspect you are aware) can be found online. It does look as though there was some overlap of use. translation by Google ( so some 'between the lines interpretation is needed in a few spots) Cheers Stan CANCELLATIONS IN SMALL NUMBERS: First Nomenclature The replacement of the GRILLES, decided for January 1, 1852, was only effective during the months of January and even February for certain Offices. This first nomenclature is the alphabetical numbering of the 3703 Offices in France. Series 3704 to 3739 is the non-alphabetical series of the Algerian and Foreign Offices. Starting from number 3740 and up to 4494, this is the chronological order of creation of the new Offices. Note that the Paris Offices are not included. Certain stamps bear letters in addition to numbers, these are generally additional Offices of important cities. Some Bureaux were abolished for various reasons and the numbers thus made available were given back to other Bureaux newly created. For lovers of detachments (I take this to mean ' those who collect such things" ), the small figures can only be collected on the "Empire Non-perforated" stamps. The serrations of 1862 can be obliterated by a small figure of the second nomenclature, they are then called "Small Figure of the Big Figure”. BIG NUMBER CANCELLATIONS: Second Nomenclature
After the Lyon test of February 1862, the Administration decided to replace the small number stamps with larger numbers, which were therefore easier to read. The use of this new cancellation was planned for January 1, 1863, but it is not uncommon to encounter this type of cancellation in December 1862 in France and Juliet 1862 in Algeria. This second nomenclature is the alphabetical numbering of the Offices in service from 1 to 4361 for France. The 5000 series is reserved for offices in Algeria and French offices abroad. As new offices were created, the order numbers were given in sequence, from 4362 to 4999 and from 6000 to 6449 (Mar 1876). Some seals bear the small numbers, letters in addition to the numbers, these are additional City Offices, or even seasonal Offices, exhibitions or Station boxes (BG). In 1871 the numbers of the Offices ceded to Germany became available. they were assigned to newly created offices, these offices are called "replacements". In detached these Big Numbers are certain only on Ceres jagged ( perforated- French word used is denteléss…) Some Offices losing or wearing out their stamps therefore had to replace these obliterating stamps. There are therefore obliterations of a different shape to the normal. Collectors call these “remade”.
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Post by gstamps on Dec 24, 2022 20:21:43 GMT
stainlessb, thank you for your effort to help me I think Pothion's work was the most suitable for information. I know French well and I think I would have understood the original text better. But the English translation was also helpful. The conclusion is that after 1862, when cancellations with large numbers (Gros chiffres) were introduced, cancellations with small numbers (Petits chiffres) were still used - I suspect that they had stocks of cancellation devices unused in the period 1852-1862 and they distributed them according to the new numbers. In the Yvert-Tellier catalog these cancellations (petits chiffres des gros chiffres) appear starting with the stamp YT#19 issued in August 1862. Thank you again George
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