renden
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Post by renden on May 8, 2020 21:33:57 GMT
Now it is to be done - bought this stamp - FINE - from a dealer in Montreal through a friend in the UK (no taxes) I remember my late dad's # 1 - which I sold in the 90s - had to bring it back René not my scan.......and not a good scan as it was copied (but mine).....I'll be back with a copper killer 7 ring target cancel
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blaamand
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Post by blaamand on May 8, 2020 22:28:33 GMT
Lovely stamp, excellent strike!!
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renden
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Post by renden on May 8, 2020 22:56:32 GMT
Lovely stamp, excellent strike!! Thanks Jon and Chris (for your help etc) René
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renden
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Post by renden on May 14, 2020 17:30:51 GMT
Since # 1 Canada (Beaver) has arrived 10 min ago let's put it on its page and show the cert René thanks to my friend berylliumguy for the help in finding the stamp !!
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renden
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Post by renden on May 14, 2020 19:09:54 GMT
Historical significance of the beaver
After the early European explorers realized Canada was not the spice-rich Orient, the main profit-making attraction was the beaver population. In the late 1600s and early 1700s, the fashion of the day demanded fur hats, which needed beaver pelts. As these hats became more popular, the demand for the pelts grew. King Henry IV of France saw the fur trade as an opportunity to acquire much-needed revenue and to establish a North American empire. Both English and French fur traders were soon selling beaver pelts in Europe at 20 times their original purchase price. The trade of beaver pelts proved so profitable that many Canadians felt compelled to pay tribute to the buck-toothed animal. Sir William Alexander, who was granted title to Nova Scotia in 1621, was the first to include the beaver in a coat of arms. The Hudson’s Bay Company put four beavers on the shield of its coat of arms in 1678 to show how important the hard-working rodent was to the company. A coin was created – which was known as a “buck” – that was equal to the value of one male beaver pelt. Louis de Buade de Frontenac, Governor of New France in 1678, suggested the beaver would be a suitable emblem for the colony – and proposed it be included in the coat of arms of the City of Québec. The French Kebeca Liberata medal, created in 1690 to celebrate France’s successful defence of the City of Québec, depicts the image of a seated woman (representing France) with a beaver at her feet (representing Canada). When the City of Montréal was incorporated in 1833, it included the beaver’s image in its coat of arms. Sir Sandford Fleming featured the beaver on the first Canadian postage stamp – the Three Penny Beaver – in 1851.
The Société Saint-Jean-Baptiste included the beaver in one of its emblems for a time. The Canadian Pacific Railway company still includes the beaver on its crest today. Despite this recognition, the beaver was close to extinction by the mid-19th century. There were an estimated six million beavers in Canada before the start of the fur trade. During its peak, 100,000 pelts were being shipped to Europe each year; the Canadian beaver was in danger of being wiped out. Luckily, about that time, Europeans took a liking to silk hats and the demand for beaver pelts all but disappeared. Today, thanks to conservation and silk hats, the beaver – the largest rodent in Canada – is alive and well all over the country. (adapted from Wikipedia)Now you know our bit of Beaver History !! René Canada
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gatodiablo
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Post by gatodiablo on May 14, 2020 22:18:03 GMT
Just today I received a copy of Eager: The Surprising, Secret Life of Beavers and Why They Matter by Ben Goldfarb. It has been recommended to me by several folks, and I am looking forward to reading it.
Dan
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nikhil
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Post by nikhil on May 15, 2020 3:53:07 GMT
Nice stamp and history renden!
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Post by vikingeck on Oct 26, 2020 12:24:43 GMT
Calling all you collectors of Classic Canada, stanley64 , renden , classicalstamps and any one else interested . The presentation by Graham Searle given by Zoom is now on the website of our local Aberdeen Stamp club, www.aberdeenphilatelic.org.uk . Tag “Meetings“ the first part deals with early Hudson’s Bay , the second part has absolutely jaw dropping Classic Canada. De luxe eye candy and most of the items shown are his own collection. He edits the Maple leaf journal of Canadian PsGB
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vikingeck
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Post by vikingeck on Oct 26, 2020 14:50:55 GMT
Historical significance of the beaver
After the early European explorers realized Canada was not the spice-rich Orient, the main profit-making attraction was the beaver population. In the late 1600s and early 1700s, the fashion of the day demanded fur hats, which needed beaver pelts. Sir William Alexander, who was granted title to Nova Scotia in 1621, was the first to include the beaver in a coat of arms. The Hudson’s Bay Company put four beavers on the shield of its coat of arms in 1678 to show how important the hard-working rodent was to the company. A coin was created – which was known as a “buck” – that was equal to the value of one male beaver Sir Sandford Fleming featured the beaver on the first Canadian postage stamp – the Three Penny Today, thanks to conservation and silk hats, the beaver – the largest rodent in Canada – is alive and well all over the country. (adapted from Wikipedia)Now you know our bit of Beaver History !! René Canada Hi Thanks for the stories above Rene, renden. The displays by GrahamSearle to www.aberdeenphilatelic.org.uk Meetings on 15th Oct 2020 give excellent accounts of Hudson’s bay Company and the beaver stamp & other Canada imperforates
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Post by dgdecker on Oct 26, 2020 14:55:16 GMT
Calling all you collectors of Classic Canada, stanley64 , renden , classicalstamps and any one else interested . The presentation by Graham Searle given by Zoom is now on the website of our local Aberdeen Stamp club, www.aberdeenphilatelic.org.uk . Tag “Meetings“ the first part deals with early Hudson’s Bay , the second part has absolutely jaw dropping Classic Canada. De luxe eye candy and most of the items shown are his own collection. He edits the Maple leaf journal of Canadian PsGB Thanks for posting. Eye Candy is the best was to describe this presentation. If only I could have a couple of these items. David
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renden
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Post by renden on Oct 26, 2020 15:39:00 GMT
Thanks vikingeck (Alex) for the link to wonderful Canadian information on Hudson Bay and the Pence issue - Great stuff !! and bookmarked René
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Post by nbstamper on Oct 29, 2020 20:11:01 GMT
Congratulations Rene on your Canada no. 1; looks great! I too was just successful in winning one in an auction through SAN but haven't received it yet; will post it when it gets here. Also have a abid on a no.2; but unlikely to win it.
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chrischross
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Post by chrischross on Oct 29, 2020 21:41:38 GMT
Thanks vikingeck (Alex) for the link to wonderful Canadian information on Hudson Bay and the Pence issue - Great stuff !! and bookmarked René Agreed — as an occupant myself of territory formerly controlled by HBC, this was a fascinating article. Names like Selkirk are place names for nearby mountain ranges for example. Also, I’m wondering about possible HBC mail service to Fort Vancouver (the one in present day Washington State).
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chrischross
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Post by chrischross on Oct 31, 2020 19:36:25 GMT
The transportation network of HBC’s York Factory Express was truly global with Fort Vancouver being a key transit point. For example, Hawaiian laborers resided at Fort Vancouver in the 1820s. Here’s a good companion piece to the Aberdeen article with specific examples of Fort Vancouver covers: www.westerncoversociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/WCS_C3.pdf
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sudbury12000
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Post by sudbury12000 on Jan 10, 2023 12:56:04 GMT
I was wondering if there was anyway to determine if this stamp is #1 or#4? Postmarked in August of 1852, so that I don't think helps as both stamps were in use. I am thankful that the spills on the back of the envelope only occurred there. If anyone can help, that would be great!
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hdm1950
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Post by hdm1950 on Jan 10, 2023 13:45:26 GMT
I was wondering if there was anyway to determine if this stamp is #1 or#4? Postmarked in August of 1852, so that I don't think helps as both stamps were in use. I am thankful that the spills on the back of the envelope only occurred there. If anyone can help, that would be great! Nice stamp and cover. One approach would be to try a bit of watermark fluid on the face of the stamp to see if the laid lines show. Failing that I would be tempted to go the route of having an expert certify it. That comes with a price but if it turned out to be a #1 it would add greatly to the value having the certificate. If the fluid did show the laid lines I would probably have it certified as well to verify it is a genuine cover and not a mock up. it sure looks genuine to my eye.
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JeffS
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Post by JeffS on Jan 10, 2023 14:43:28 GMT
I was wondering if there was anyway to determine if this stamp is #1 or#4? Postmarked in August of 1852, so that I don't think helps as both stamps were in use. I am thankful that the spills on the back of the envelope only occurred there. If anyone can help, that would be great! from my memory of years gone by, the wove paper printings produced a bit clearer impression than the laid paper which had a more irregular surface. Also the laid paper ink was more orange than the wove examples as I see here. And one could always “lift” the stamp from the cover and use watermark fluid on the stamp (a common procedure 50 years ago) then reattach with a hinge. and, of course, there are the expertiseing services. Doesn’t the APS have a stamp identifying service as well? My 2 cents worth, keep the change. “)
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renden
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Post by renden on Jan 10, 2023 15:42:09 GMT
Canada Beaver # 1 is on horizontal Laid paper as opposed to Wove paper on # 4. I looked at my # 1 (has a cert) and you can easily see the alternate light and dark lines when you hold it up to a light. I agree it should be certified. Nice stamp ! René
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hdm1950
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Post by hdm1950 on Jan 10, 2023 18:43:31 GMT
sudbury12000 here are my Unitrade 1 and 4 with the 1 being on the left. The colour and detail of yours does look more like my #1 as well as the one shared by renden. That proves nothing but would be encouraging.
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JeffS
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Post by JeffS on Jan 10, 2023 20:05:50 GMT
sudbury12000 here are my Unitrade 1 and 4 with the 1 being on the left. The colour and detail of yours does look more like my #1 as well as the one shared by renden . That proves nothing but would be encouraging. Judging from the images alone I would suggest that both are the wove papers, No. 4. And both are in need of a H2O2 bath.
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hdm1950
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Post by hdm1950 on Jan 10, 2023 20:11:54 GMT
sudbury12000 here are my Unitrade 1 and 4 with the 1 being on the left. The colour and detail of yours does look more like my #1 as well as the one shared by renden . That proves nothing but would be encouraging. Judging from the images alone I would suggest that both are the wove papers, No. 4. And both are in need of a H2O2 bath. Sorry to disagree Jeff but the left one is definitely #1 with laid paper visible to the naked eye in good light and was bought as such. They are not as dirty as they look. I try to avoid additional washes unless there are paper or hinge remnants on the back.
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watermark
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Post by watermark on Jan 11, 2023 14:56:40 GMT
The image here is a three pence beaver on laid paper as seen from the back. I used a light box and my 35mm digital camera to snap the picure. Laid lines on this stamp are horizontal dark and liight lines is the paper mesh evenly spaced horizontally across the stamp and usually easily seen when the stamp is viewed from the back while backlit. They can also usually be seen by looking at the back of the stamp at a oblique angle to a light source. Hope this helps you in identifying your beatiful stamp.
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Post by hdm1950 on Dec 6, 2023 21:40:41 GMT
Another new arrival is the stamp on the left of the pair in the first photo. They are both Unitrade 4. The newly acquired one comes with a 2016 Greene certification stating it is a mint with original glue, slightly soiled and a corner crease on the lower right. The 4 good margins and deep rich colours are exceptional. I had thought I would sell the used copy I have had for years but now that I have the two together I am thinking it may be a Unitrade 4a brown red. It will stay with me for the time being. That seems to happen a lot. I had shown the used one before in this thread and JeffS had suggested I give it a bath. I hesitated but since now having given many stamps a 3% peroxide cleaning I went ahead and did so a few weeks ago. There was no noticeable change to the stamp's brightness or colour. This is the back of the mint copy showing hinge remnant and the corner crease shows on the lower left (minor to my eyes).
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JeffS
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Post by JeffS on Dec 6, 2023 22:39:18 GMT
Your new mint beaver is a nice stamp, indeed. Do I detect a re-entry or extraneous line through the top of PE in PENCE?
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hdm1950
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Post by hdm1950 on Dec 6, 2023 23:36:50 GMT
Your new mint beaver is a nice stamp, indeed. Do I detect a re-entry or extraneous line through the top of PE in PENCE? I see what you are noticing Jeff but see no mention of a re-entry in the newest Unitrade and the certification makes no mention of anything out of the ordinary. The only 2 I have seen in person are the ones I have so I can claim no expertise on this stamp.
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renden
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Post by renden on Dec 6, 2023 23:39:36 GMT
Your new mint beaver is a nice stamp, indeed. Do I detect a re-entry or extraneous line through the top of PE in PENCE? bnaps.org/studygroups/re-entry/presentations/ThreePenceBeaverPlateFlaws-rx.pdf This BNAPS study group describes at PANE A, position 33, which features a line connecting PE of PENCE at the top of the letters, and a line in the oval band below PE JeffS , you might have special vision !! René p.s. sorry hdm1950 - we were posting at the same time
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Post by jimjung on Dec 8, 2023 20:18:44 GMT
Position A33 certainly does have a Reentry above and below PE of PENCE. It's not strong enough to be listed individually in Unitrade but it does fall under 4viii (Minor Reentries). Your stamp does appear to have the reentry. Here's a closeup of the A33 Reentry:
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Post by sudbury12000 on Jan 31, 2024 17:48:22 GMT
Got this these from an auction on the weekend. Sismondo was the previous owner, so I am assuming they come with some validity. I do like the Chatham strike on the 15. The 4d has good margins and for life of me I cannot find the cut in the margin spoken of. Nice cancel there as well, but hard to make out as it is light.
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renden
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Post by renden on Jan 31, 2024 19:29:35 GMT
Got this these from an auction on the weekend. Sismondo was the previous owner, so I am assuming they come with some validity. I do like the Chatham strike on the 15. The 4d has good margins and for life of me I cannot find the cut in the margin spoken of. Nice cancel there as well, but hard to make out as it is light.
The imperf Canada stamp shown is a 3d but the text mentions a 4d and if it is a #1, Laid Paper should be horizontal. My opinion only, with help from Unitrade Canada Specialized Cat 2024. René
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Post by Admin on Jan 31, 2024 19:50:45 GMT
The text regarding the imperf 3d beaver is stating that it is Unitrade (Scott) 4d (1852, thin paper, orange red).
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