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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Jun 22, 2020 4:27:48 GMT
I feel like the annual release of the Scott Catalog is far more frequent than it needs to be. Do we really need a WHOLE NEW catalog every single year? Do stamp values really change all that much year after year? Wouldn’t just using the Scott Stamp Monthly for updates and printing every other year be a more sane strategy?
I also feel that Scott should get out of the “World Catalog” business and just focus on the countries that are it’s core competence such as the US and Canada and offer catalogs from other companies to fill in the world. Why should Scott do all the work for Germany, when they can sell a US translation of the MICHEL catalog. Does anyone actually use Scott numbers when buying Australian stamps? Even US dealers list Stanley Gibbons.
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Post by khj on Jun 22, 2020 8:00:16 GMT
I agree that Scott doesn't need to release a complete set of catalogs every year. But I am biased because I don't buy a complete set of catalogs every year.
That being said...
The way they have the catalogs arranged, they don't have much choice right now. They would have to do some major re-arrangement, and they haven't been willing to do that since 1998 when they moved British Commonwealth from Volume 1 into the rest of the volumes in alphabetical order -- thereby forcing BC collectors to buy the entire WW set, or reduce the frequency of catalog purchases. Instead of working toward creating logical collecting volumes, Scott tends toward consolidation into the standard alphabetical WW set.
-- Scott doesn't update prices for every country every year, only the most active/popular countries (prices for several countries remain un-updated or partially updated for several years at a stretch)
-- Scott continues to have Germany in their catalog, probably for the same reason SG and Michel continue to include US in their catalogs (if you want to be the primary source, sometimes you have to include inferior products just to be the "one-stop" source; it only has to be "good enough" for the general collector)
-- If Scott focused on Canada, they would likely lose out to Unitrade (a significantly better product). Scott might end up only being able to take a cut from the licensing of Scott catalog numbers. In the early 1980s, before Scott colorized their WW catalog in 2006, Scott actually produced a color specialized catalog for Canada (I still have it). The product didn't last very long, and they didn't even have Unitrade to compete with them back then.
Amos can either 1) stay the same and go the way of the buggy whip, 2) cut & run to downsize, 3) make a better product, 4) innovate and make different products... They tried #4 several times with sparse success so far (Classic catalog was one of the better ideas... while most of their new products over the years failed within a few years). They've made occasional progress on #3 (colorization received more positive than negative response...). Are they really to the point of #2? Supplies/albums, I can understand; but the catalogs? One things for sure, #1 is not a good choice.
To me, having an inferior product does not necessarily mean one has to cut and run/downsize. Sometimes, competition is a good thing -- especially if it motivates you to try harder to produce a better product. But can Amos produce better & innovative catalog products?
Just my personal thoughts...
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Post by Jerry B on Jun 22, 2020 10:01:04 GMT
Hi
Maybe Scott should think about doing what other catalog manufacturers do, issue the catalogs by geographic area.
Jerry B
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Post by spain1850 on Jun 22, 2020 11:20:00 GMT
Well, I know I don't need one every year. In fact I haven't bought any NEW Scott catalogs since 1982.
If more countries start going the way of Iceland, and stop issuing new stamps then there wont be a need for them to print one every year. They could probably go every other year.
I would be happy with a yearly download of some sort, and do away with the printed versions all together. Sure would take up less desk space.
As far as US deales using Scott...I haven't seen a dealer at a show, that didnt use Scott, except for some of the specialist dealers. General worldwide dealers, in my experience, rely on Scott.
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Post by khj on Jun 22, 2020 15:25:43 GMT
I would be happy with a yearly download of some sort, and do away with the printed versions all together. Sure would take up less desk space. So would I. But ridiculous Scott pricing and software pirates have repeatedly killed off those forays. Before they drastically reduced their print runs, I was purchasing clearance sets at the end of the catalog year for ~$100. I would very likely be willing to pay $100 every year or two for a downloadable digital set. But it's not going to happen. Scott is paranoid that software sales will eat into their print catalog sales, so there's a very minimal price reduction for digital Scott catalogs. I admit feeling stupid, buying the digital catalog from Amos back in 2005, with only $5-$10 shaved off the print catalog price. Given the obvious drop in Scott print catalog sales in the past 10 years, there won't be much left to "eat into".
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Post by khj on Jun 22, 2020 15:27:55 GMT
Hi Maybe Scott should think about doing what other catalog manufacturers do, issue the catalogs by geographic area. Jerry B They do think about it. They just won't pull the trigger. They seem dead set on trying to preserve standard WW set sales. As mentioned before, when they make a change, it is to consolidate (e.g., British Commonwealth volume combine with rest of WW volumes) rather than to separate into further logical volumes.
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Post by angore on Jun 22, 2020 15:58:10 GMT
I have a set (used 2016 and 2017 era, mostly from a library). If you go through the catalogs, the new pages are mostly the postal agencies printing various souvenir sheets. Stamp pricing is not varying dramatically so warrant buying. I would prefer regional and the SG 1840 to 1970 Commonwealth seems perfect but need Scott since I speak "Scott" with other US collectors so need the translation guide. Steiner pages are based upon Scott. A new collector today faces a different wold now. If they collect worldwide, they may be told to buy printed albums and set of worldwide catalogs. This is
a significant outlay.
To those that do buy a new set every year, what information do you want: latest prices, latest issues, improved editorial (added listings, etc).?
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Post by khj on Jun 22, 2020 16:41:17 GMT
I don't think I've ever personally met a collector who bought a new Scott WW set every year. No doubt there are; I haven't really met that many collectors. Everyone I've met who did annual Scott catalog purchases were all dealers or libraries.
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Jan 18, 2021 21:32:35 GMT
To dredge up an old conversation...
Scott could add a lot of value to the collecting market if they did away with the "catalog" and moved to a database that can do weekly or monthly price updates. People like me and you would subscribe. There would be a web interface, a mobile app, a tablet app, and a desktop app. Prices should be updated monthly and new issues added monthly. They could easily write scripts to scrape sale prices from sites like eBay or bidStart and come up with real world average values for stamps. They could scrape foreign sites and do the currency conversion. And you can create have/want lists.
The other things a digital catalog could be directed to is sites that don't have a local catalog, but it would cost a fortune to get a print catalog. I know most of Australia uses Stanley Gibbons catalogs. But I'm curious if Stanley Gibbons has their catalogs printed in Australia for those customers. I would think it would cost a fortune to ship bunch of catalogs from from England to Australia. In places like that, it might be a lot cheaper to buy access to a digital database.
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Post by brightonpete on Jan 18, 2021 21:59:32 GMT
That would be the sort thing for them to do. But their iOS venture was a dismal failure. I sent them an email with a lot of its shortcoming. They did reply stating they would fix them. But they never did. I ended up getting my money back for the cheesy album I bought.
I wouldn't hold out much hope for anything from them. If they ever do, I'd wait to see what the reviews are first before giving them any of my stamp money!
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Post by hrdoktorx on Jan 18, 2021 22:13:03 GMT
Yvert & Tellier advertises an online catalog service for France and the TAAF, on the basis of a yearly subscription fee. They may even have extended the service to Monaco and Andorra, but I'm not sure. I've toyed with the idea of subscribing, but haven't yet. Does anybody here uses it? Hey, I just noticed this is my 3,333 th post!
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Post by renden on Jan 18, 2021 22:29:40 GMT
Hey, I just noticed this is my 3,333 th post! You became a SENIOR member.......congrats !! (or not LOL)
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Post by bobstew617 on Jan 18, 2021 22:58:16 GMT
I waited 4 years, and even then, only bought Volume 3A-3B, and only the specific country pages for the other countri9es I collect.
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Post by philatelia on Jan 18, 2021 23:07:09 GMT
I bought a set of 2020 Scott catalogs because I was planning on selling about 25% of my collection plus all of the odd countries. This will be my last Scott purchase, but I'll probably pick up single country pages from ChirokMD if they are still selling them.
I wish they would just sell a compilation of all the new issues once a year. A special edition like that would probably sell quite well.
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Post by angore on Jan 19, 2021 11:53:04 GMT
I do purchase the Scott Specialized for my Dad as a Christmas gift.
At some point, I want to tear a set down and scan the pages I collect so I can OCR them to make searchable. When I was scanning my album pages, it dawned on my the effort to scan countries in my collecting would not be a major effort after all.
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Jan 19, 2021 18:32:45 GMT
The online offering has gotten better, but it's still not what it should be. The biggest annoyance for me is that fact that there is no offline access. And there no plan to add offline access. I had plans to go to a stamp show and use it offline on my tablet. No such luck.
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Post by PostmasterGS on Jan 20, 2021 1:14:35 GMT
IMHO, pigs will fly before Scott does anything that will significantly jeopardize their hard-copy catalog business. They just can't adjust their thinking to this century.
If anyone does it, it will probably be Michel. They already have their catalogs in an online relational database. They could improve it by making an app, but the current setup (a fully responsive website) isn't bad.
They don't do weekly or monthly price updates -- it appears that new issues are added every couple months, but prices appear to be updated only when they do the regular price updates (annual for some areas, every 2-3 years for others). They also don't do completely offline, unless you count the ability to order their catalogs as PDFs. Their online database and e-books all still require an Internet connection. For offline, I still scan my hard-copy catalogs into searchable PDFs, as it's more economical than ordering the PDFs on USB sticks.
I toyed with scraping auction sites for sale prices for one of the specialized study groups of which I'm a member. It's a tough nut to crack. Online auction sites like eBay are actually pretty easy, but the traditional auctionhouses that have an online presence are tougher. Scraping requires some consistency in the formatting of the webpages, and too often their websites are a trainwreck.
I really do like having the online catalog as an option. It doesn't really replace the hard-copy catalog (yet), as the information is still more limited than one would find in a hard-copy catalog, but it is nice to always have relatively current worldwide data without having to buy a new set of catalogs every year.
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Post by angore on Jan 20, 2021 11:14:48 GMT
I do not think prices changes that much for 99% of what is in a catalog and the method to determine prices can be interesting. The whole concept of determining seems suspect.
For visual identification, I prefer Stampworld since many more images than a printed catalog and easy to browse images of lots of issues.
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Jan 22, 2021 4:18:21 GMT
I'd love to see sales figures on how many stamp catalogs they sell a year.
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Post by djcmh on Jan 22, 2021 6:23:25 GMT
I purchased a complete set of the online version of the 2021 Scotts Vols 1-6 and Classic Specialized this year (thank you stimulus check from last spring). This replaced a set of 2012s Vols 1-6 and a 2015 Classic Specialized hard copy versions that I had. I'd consider selling the Classic Specialized but the binding on it cracked in two places (the 2015 edition has production issues I was told by Scott people when I asked them about it at APS Stampshow 2018 in Columbus) and one page fell out (have to keep it folded in the catalog). Guess I could sell it cheap.
As for needing new each year, I think the best path forward would be to shift focus more to online and have a subscription based model, similar to what Yvert does - you subscribe for Yvert online for 1 year and and new catalogs released during the year's subscription you get access to as the old editions are "replaced".
Or Scott could go to the database-model system Michel uses (I have Michel Online as well) and simply update the database as needed.
Hard copy will pass from the scene with the passing of the Boomer generation, I think. For the under 60s Gen-X and Millenials (like myself) most of our lives have been spent in an increasingly digital environment, and personally I find it more of a hassle to drag catalogs off the shelf, flip to find what I am looking for, then put the catalog back, when instead i can easily open an internet page, flip a few pages or use the search feature to find what I want, and have the catalog still open but not cluttering my desk while I work on my collections.
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Post by angore on Jan 22, 2021 11:06:23 GMT
In Scott's digital model, do you have access to the year catalog you purchased forever?
Scott's pricing for digital is not dramatically different for the printed so Scott is not leaving money on the table.
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Post by djcmh on Jan 22, 2021 12:32:52 GMT
In Scott's digital model, do you have access to the year catalog you purchased forever? Scott's pricing for digital is not dramatically different for the printed so Scott is not leaving money on the table. As far as I know, once bought you have access forever. Same with any of Stanley Gibbons digital products. Michel and Yvert are on subscription model (Michel also does buy once and have forever digital catalogs available as well). And at least this year, the digital versions of Scott were US$75 for the regular catalogs, as opposed to something north of US$120 for the hard copy. Classic Specialized was IIRC US$125 vs hardcover price above US$150.
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Jan 25, 2021 14:19:06 GMT
In Scott's digital model, do you have access to the year catalog you purchased forever? Scott's pricing for digital is not dramatically different for the printed so Scott is not leaving money on the table. I bought the 2015 US Section and still have access to it. That is, as long as Scott Online stays up.
I bought the US Specialized in their old app on my iPad, and that is gone forever.
I think Scott should just sell watermarked PDFs, like a lot of other companies do.
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Post by Jerry B on Jan 26, 2021 11:13:58 GMT
Hi Andy
Instead of my suggestion of issuing catalogs for geographic areas, a long time ago I had also suggested to Scott to issue up dates. I suggested an update could be catalog pages for new stamps, an error guide for the original pages, and a pricing guide for any price changes. This would be a lot cheaper than 6 volumes a year. Same response, people want the catalog. The only people that want the whole shebang in my opinion would be dealers.
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Post by angore on Jan 26, 2021 11:55:30 GMT
There are costs with creating the catalog such editorial staff time and likely do not want to complicate things with too various products to edit each year when they have (or want) to produce an up to date single catalog set. This prevents new areas like regional issues, pricing supplements, etc. Although there is some reuse on content, it may not efficient and would only reduce the print volumes of the current set.
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