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Post by stamptracker on Aug 29, 2020 8:16:18 GMT
I found this stamp among other stamps in an envelope which remained untouched for years. I reluctantly soaked the stamps and then one of them appeared to be another stamp connected. I was puzzled at first and the front of the first stamp was folded behind the second stamp's face-up side which was gummed making them appear as just one stamp. Does anyone know if it is rare? I haven't seen one before and it is not a gutter as the gutter is only semi-perforated.
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Post by khj on Aug 29, 2020 8:27:02 GMT
It is the gutter for this issue. Unlike the more modern Australian gutters, on these interpanneau pairs/blocks the perforation does not run all the way through the gutter.
Your particular example would be an interpanneau imprint block of 4.
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Post by khj on Aug 29, 2020 17:01:16 GMT
I only answered one of your questions. Yes, interpanneau pairs, especially imprint pairs/blocks have good value. You can do some googling for interpanneau imprint blocks for that series to get an idea of retail value.
This is subject to confirmation/correction, but I believe a fold/bend in the gutter is normal for this issue, as the press sheets were shipped folded over. However, it sounds like your example may have been folded along the perfs? I don't believe they were originally folded that way, and certainly should not be stored folded.
I'm not familiar with the pane/sheet layouts for Australian stamps. This is from memory, as my Australian gutter pair album has been in storage for over a decade; but from what I've seen in my basic collection of Australian gutter pairs, the perforations run all the way through the gutter when there's a gutter within the pane, but may or may not for interpanneau pairs. Again, that's subject to confirmation/correction from someone more familiar with Australian stamps. I'm just a general WW collector.
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Post by stamptracker on Aug 31, 2020 7:25:45 GMT
Thank you for your quick response. The stamps in question are only the two joined on the left (the block on the right are just as an example). Thank you for teaching me what interpanneau pairs are. I had never heard of them so I took a quick peak on Google and found some for sale on the ebay. Interestingly, the gutter is one fifth bigger than the actual stamps. The gutter on mine is exactly the same size as the stamp so when it was folded backwards you only saw one stamp. Wow, camouflaged for over 70 years on a torn envelope, Thank you again for all of the information.
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Post by vikingeck on Aug 31, 2020 8:07:13 GMT
Interpanneau pairs are certainly going to fetch a premium over the single stamps.
Now Check out the selvedge with printer name John Ash . Aussie collectors get excited about these and that is a big plus , pity the gum has gone in the rescue , but keep the block all together .
however I think we have misread your posts. You don’t have the John Ash ?
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Post by stamptracker on Sept 1, 2020 5:44:04 GMT
No I don't have the John Ash.
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Post by khj on Sept 1, 2020 6:21:00 GMT
OK, stamptracker I also misunderstood your original post. I thought you were asking about the block of 4 shown in your original post. Now I understand that was pasted in, and the stamp you actually have is at left. My apologies. I tried to provide the answer to the wrong stamp in the picture! The left stamp is an example of a gutter pair from the Die II printing. That one has perforations all the way through the gutter, and that particular gutter is the same size as the stamp. However, I do not know the full layout of the press sheet. I do know that if you follow the gutter up, there will be a plate number and there will also be a red dot on the selvedge one column to the right and left of the gutter. People like me find the selvedge more interesting than the stamp.
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Post by robert on Sept 23, 2020 7:20:33 GMT
Hi stamptracker
Your stamp is too small for me to see what you are talking about, could you make the stamp larger, if I can see what you are referring to, I will be able to answer your question.
Rob
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Post by darrenk on Jan 27, 2024 5:11:55 GMT
This is a copy of the ASH Imprint with the thin paper variety. ACSC 188aa Thin Paper (0.075mm or less) The note associated with the paper says the following: The thin paper variety (0.091mm including gum, compared to the normal which exceeds 0.1mm) shows the design being clearly visible from the back. I have a digital micrometer to measure paper thickness as many German stamps have thinner and thicker paper varieties. It's very handy.
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Post by rod222 on Jan 27, 2024 6:30:08 GMT
This is a copy of the ASH Imprint with the thin paper variety. ACSC 188aa Thin Paper (0.075mm or less) The note associated with the paper says the following: The thin paper variety (0.091mm including gum, compared to the normal which exceeds 0.1mm) shows the design being clearly visible from the back. I have a digital micrometer to measure paper thickness as many German stamps have thinner and thicker paper varieties. It's very handy. darrenkJust checked mine, (full pane) Not to be confused, the Watermark is clearly seen at the front, but sadly, the design at the back not so. I put the Engineer's micrometer on the paper, = 005" (= .127 mm) If I have it correct.
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Post by darrenk on Jan 28, 2024 4:26:03 GMT
ACSC is The Australian Commonwealth Specialists Catalogue, sometimes know as Brunsden White (The publisher) This is the block from the rear. The watermark really stands out but the design isn't obvious in the scan but is when held up to light. To give you an idea of scarcity, a MNH copy of the thin paper stamp is catalogued at $200 each while the normal stamp is $3. A standard ASH imprint block of 4 is $20. The thin paper version isn't priced. I've added images of the micrometer. In Australia we use the metric system but I've included the inch measurement for your reference.
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Post by stanley64 on Jan 30, 2024 12:24:26 GMT
Careful darrenk , I note your micrometer only measures to two decimial places i.e. '0.01 mm and whilst useful in categorising paper thickness, most papers catalogued are to three decimal places or greater. It is good to have an approximation, but to avoid misrepresentation or disappointment, one should have greater precision... Have fun and happy collecting!!
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