philatelia
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Post by philatelia on Oct 24, 2020 21:24:27 GMT
Just curious about this ... I was comparing the color of the many France #93 stamps available for sale on Hipstamp. The range is so vast - some are almost completely washed out and others are bright red. Now I'm sure the camera or scanners used to photograph these has a huge impact, but a question for our France collectors ( I don't collect France FYI) is this common for this issue? I know red is notorious for fading quickly, but wow! Thanks for looking www.hipstamp.com/search?keywords=France+93&parent_id=0 |
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Post by stainlessb on Oct 24, 2020 22:30:06 GMT
ah welcome to the work of nuances! (insane fun... LOL) Maury Ceres & Dallay (2009) list 5 "nuances" (color shades) scanning can be a challenge Yvert & Tellier # 97 (There is a dipsartity between Scott and Y&Ts Black on Rose (1986) 97a Black on dark rose (1887) 97b Black on white-pink (1888) 97c slate on Salmon (1892) 97d Black on rose-brown (1895) The 4 colors are from the French translation Yvert & Tellier only list 2 nuances, likewise so do Spink & Maury 2018 It is subjective and it helps to have a study group, below is what I have ... possibly 3 nuances. Of the Type II this is one of the lesser represented in my study groups. The Type II green 5 centimes has 14 nuances!  |
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Post by stanley64 on Oct 25, 2020 10:10:56 GMT
Great stuff, colours and shades appears to be the topic of the times,
Not to steer the conversation away from the posted topic of French stamps, but those interested in colours, shades, etc. may want to have a look at the references posted in this thread regarding, " Analytical Methods in Philately" for additional information or details and your own research...
Happy collecting!
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philatelia
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Post by philatelia on Oct 25, 2020 13:21:49 GMT
Yay! I never hesitate to ask what some might label a rather dumb question because that is how you learn. In this case the word “nuance” was new to me. I’ve always used the term “shades”. stainlessb - I agree wholeheartedly that keeping a reference set is extremely helpful and sometimes almost obligatory. I have a similar study waiting for the time to work on it - early Finnish coat of arms. I couldn’t make heads or tails of those until I acquired enough material that included a better range. Holding one single copy of any issue in your tongs and trying to determine where it falls on the color spectrum is really difficult. One helpful tool is a full spectrum light. I bought a second one a while back and played around with the adjustable frequency, but I wish I knew WHICH frequency is the best and, if that were possible, that the lamp had a readout displaying the setting. Now that would be the bee’s knees! Very cool magic machine! stanley64. Wow! What really surprised me about the #93’s was that these are ALL given the same Scott catalog number despite extreme differences. Also - I was mainly wondering how many of these differences are from fading from light or age, exposure to chemicals like watermark fluids or differences in the scans posted OR were these actually ISSUED with different shades, papers, etc. I suppose my question comes down to NATURE VS NURTURE. Were they “born” this way or were the changes environmental? Thanks for taking the time to generously share your knowledge - much appreciated fellas! |
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Post by stainlessb on Oct 25, 2020 14:12:30 GMT
Yes, your notice of Scott only giving one number is why for the most part I do not rely much on Scott and have shifted to specialiazed catalogues (Michel, SG, Yvert Et Al ) I use a 10K LED lamp, seems to work best Also a matte black background seems best for most stamps, although I have a ream of different colored "art craft" paper and sometimes it helps to use a different background..... though I may just be tricking my eyes. Long ago, a forum member Nelson really helped me dial in my scanners color settings so I could get results that looked like my eyes saw things- sadly he left the forum My scan above- if If I were to make the field smaller so there was not so much black the colors would stand out a bit better Below is a scan of just 2 stamps (Left is the bottom row middle, and Right is top row #4 stamp on left is I believe either 97b or 97c (only one I have like this), The stamp on right is most likely 97  |
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