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Post by randyharper on Oct 30, 2020 20:17:55 GMT
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chrischross
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Post by chrischross on Oct 30, 2020 21:09:59 GMT
I find catalogs less useful these days for determining value. What does eBay or Delcampe have to say?
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randyharper
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Post by randyharper on Oct 30, 2020 22:46:28 GMT
good idea have not looked, agree about value but the cat numbers help - off to look at the auction sites - thanks
jeff
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Post by rex on Oct 30, 2020 22:54:17 GMT
I don't understand the Rec'd postmark. ..surely applied in Providence.. But How the card arrived there with only 10 Cent Postage...? It is under rate I believe for USA . Is it a private..company arrival postmark , no postal.....?  If anyone can explain it, thanks. |
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vikingeck
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Post by vikingeck on Oct 30, 2020 23:38:43 GMT
rex It is simply a private accounting Mark by a business company .Harris Oil in Providence Rhode Island . Like the other two it was probably an order . The cards arrived , and were read and hand stamped received . What ever was the message on the reverse it was attended to and the cards were filed as a record of the action . The next line is the date the card was answered., handwritten date These marks are certainly not postal. randyharper, if past experience is a guide such cards can be obtained in dealer’s mixed boxes for around $2- $3 On another matter I had a mystery with two very similar “Genova Ferrovia “ cancelled post cards which I sold last year on eBay. One with a black cancel made about $3 the other which had a blue cancel ran away to $200. I do not know why !
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randyharper
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Post by randyharper on Oct 31, 2020 0:13:14 GMT
Thanks everyone and yes the stamp marking referred to are by Harris Oil and the blue postmark most likely sold for more because of the blue color. Thanks all for the information and time spent. Learn more each time around. Still looking for Catalog numbers so I can put them away.
Jeff
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Post by chrischross on Oct 31, 2020 7:32:37 GMT
For the Portuguese 3c Carmine/Red, Colnect shows a year of issuance of 1917. A quick glance at Delcampe in the Post Cards section yields some interesting results for the time period.
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rex
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Post by rex on Oct 31, 2020 8:15:14 GMT
We solved for the private postmark, but not for the postage. In Italy until 1919 the cost of the service was 10 cents for the district and 20c. for the interior... it is under-postage I don't understand how it got to the USA ..? Unfortunately, I have the rate catalogs in another home. But by heart 10cent seem few to me. Mah postal mysteries ..? Thanks anyway to Alex vikingeck for the explanation . |
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vikingeck
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Post by vikingeck on Oct 31, 2020 8:52:45 GMT
rex , another mystery to me is how it ever found “ Providence “ I couldn’t possibly read the last line of the address. Is that really “ Stati Uniti”? As an English speaker I had to search my dictionary and guess it is, but terrible handwriting! regarding the rate , is it possible the card is treated as “printed Matter” ? Sometimes there is a very low postage rate for newspapers and printed business cards. If the back of the cards have a printed order for Harris Oil it might be possible to Mail at a lower rate. randyharper can you check the reverse please, and Ludovico is there a printed rate at this time ?
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rex
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Post by rex on Oct 31, 2020 9:01:33 GMT
The italian card is the nb.38B of the specialized catalog InteriItalia 2011 for italian Postal stationery, value about 2 euro in 2011 as Alex vikingeck said.   |
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Post by rex on Oct 31, 2020 9:04:07 GMT
I agree.... terrible handwriting ..!!!
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Post by rex on Oct 31, 2020 9:14:06 GMT
Printed matter is what I thought too, but the catalog gave me an answer ..  |
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Post by rex on Oct 31, 2020 9:19:07 GMT
 solved the dilemma ..... Yes postal history is much more !! I've been thinking about this rate since last night .. thanks Alex vikingeck for going through the problem togheter..!! |
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stanley64
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Post by stanley64 on Oct 31, 2020 10:45:18 GMT
In the meantime, I would hazard a guess at the postal marking on the Portuguese stationary ( Inteiros Postais); perhaps Lisboa (13.06.18), otherwise a nice example of a 1918/20 - 3c. Ceres. (n.º OM62). The 3c pays for the overseas rate of a single post card which was in effect from 15-9-17 to 12-6-19.
I have more than a passing interest in postal stationary like this, especially as it relates to the Portuguese Ceres Issues and I look forward to seeing more...
Happy collecting!
P.S. When the opportunity arises Alex ( vikingeck ), I would like to have a rummage through any one of those dealer’s mixed boxes ;-)
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vikingeck
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Post by vikingeck on Oct 31, 2020 11:37:04 GMT
Vince stanley64, when you have spent the big bucks in the first hour of a two day stamp show in London, York or wherever, you grab a chair and sit at a dealer table . They always have boxes of cheap 50p or £1 covers they have not had time to sort. . If they are unusual I pick them. After 70 years collecting ,if I have not seen it before it counts as unusual and possible worth a bit more than the dealer’s price. I buy on spec. The pair of Italy cards I mentioned earlier are an example , one was standard the other paid my hotel for 2 nights, covered my diesel costs and gave me fun of research. Another very ordinary GB stationery card from 1950 cost me £1 and sold on eBay to NY for $400 ........it was signed “ CS Lewis” Of course they are not all like that but what a lot of fun rummaging 🤪🤪 |
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stanley64
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Post by stanley64 on Oct 31, 2020 14:29:56 GMT
randyharper , if past experience is a guide such cards can be obtained in dealer’s mixed boxes for around $2- $3
I too am up for a bargain hunt, but putting aside for a moment the proverbial "needle-in-a-haystack" and instead speak of the Portuguese stationary specifically; a fair market value, if the current Núcleo Filatélico do Ateneu Comercial do Porto auction is any indication, is likely to be ~10-15 Euros per item (see lots n.º 283 - 313)
Happy collecting!
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randyharper
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Post by randyharper on Oct 31, 2020 18:19:03 GMT
Quite the rumble and stir. Glad to see the discussion. Will post the flip side of the post cards when I get upstairs in a few minutes. Thanks all for a vigorous discussion and the information as well.
Jeff
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Post by randyharper on Oct 31, 2020 19:19:19 GMT
I have added the written sides of the postcards above but they loaded in the reverse order Greece, Italy, Portugal. Hope this helps everyone. Thanks again, still looking for catalog numbers for Greece. Thanks again to all.
Jeff
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Post by randyharper on Oct 31, 2020 19:28:53 GMT
Here is a close up of the Portugal postark  . Thought you might be interested |
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