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Post by clifstampcollector on Nov 7, 2020 15:48:35 GMT
just pulled out a couple of vario pages from a binder that I hadn't opened in a long time ... mint stamps with selvage. Is there any good reason to keep the selvage on these not old, not rare, stamps? I'd like to go ahead and print album pages (steiner) and really don't want to redesign the spaces so they will fit. Unless there's a compelling reason   |
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stainlessb
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Post by stainlessb on Nov 7, 2020 16:00:18 GMT
I have pondered this as well, and have retained those with printing in the margins. It does show a relative position (left side, top corner, etc., although how important this is i do not know)) I have on a number of occasions found stamps in mounts (collections/pages i have won at auction) to have the selvage folded under. Obviously a corner stamp poses a problem. I have several mounted where I just centered the stamp w/selvage in the mount and let it protrude on either side (my pages are in sheet protectors, so this provides protection when turning pages.
I suppose one must take it on a stamp by stamp basis
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Post by vikingeck on Nov 7, 2020 17:11:43 GMT
The blank selvedge , in my opinion is not worth keeping. It adds no useful information and simply takes up space and makes an album page unbalanced. I would remove or at least fold under if I was really worried about tearing it off.
Those shown here with numbers are merely accounting information to help the postal clerk calculate how many he has sold/ left on the sheet in his stock . Again for the philatelist I see no value in keeping and no harm in removing.
If the selvedge has registration marks, traffic lights, a plate number, a control mark , or has the name of the printer then these are worth considering , blank selvedge , not so.
One further thought, of course for “flyspecking” minor flaws, selvedge might give a clue to the stamp position on the sheet if it was a corner piece or had some identifying marking. Keeping the selvedge on a stamp with a flaw could be significant for plating.
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Post by khj on Nov 7, 2020 18:20:56 GMT
For those of us who collect selvedge, we have a similar issue -- should I keep the stamp attached to the selvedge? The stamp takes up an inordinate amount of space, but on occasion could be useful for quickly identifying a selvedge. Alas, decisions, decisions... Admittedly, when collecting selvedge frames, I do keep the entire pane intact, as the stamps inside the selvedge frame help to support the frame and keep them straight/perpendicular. With the self-adhesive panes, the backing serves the purpose so keeping the stamps isn't as beneficial.
On a side note, a pet peeve of mine. People who write on the back of the selvedge, or write on the front of the selvedge because they want to identify the silly attached stamp. Don't you know when you write on the back of a selvedge, it shows up much more clearly on the front because of the reduced ink coverage?! Also, there's usually plenty of white margin on the stamp, you don't have to graffiti the selvedge!!! Quit writing on the selvedge, people!!!
And of course, quit hinging the selvedge. While there isn't that silly NH craze when it some to selvedge, please quit using the selvedge as a hinging zone!!! The staining does show through on selvedge.
Thank you!
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Post by ameis33 on Nov 7, 2020 19:04:52 GMT
With the term "selvedge" do you mean just the border of sheet wherever it is or the upper side with the accounting numbers (i wonder if all the terms i've used are correct)?   |
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Post by ameis33 on Nov 7, 2020 19:57:15 GMT
About the size, i'm still thinking what should i do. I have a big (not completed, i don't know if i'm lucky or not...) collection of couples of polish stamps, from 1970 to 1989, all with the selvedge, mostly like the previous i showed...
If a single set takes an half page, such a set take two...
How should i mount such stamps on a page? i need a complete stripe, not a single mount...
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Post by angore on Nov 7, 2020 20:07:58 GMT
I juat passed on a nice set of stamps but they had selvage with printer or information so passed on them since I would want to remove prior to mounting.
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khj
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Post by khj on Nov 7, 2020 22:24:21 GMT
Indeed, if you prefer pre-printed album pages or commercial album pages designed for mass-production, selvedge often does not fit in the "space alloted" and messes the balance of the page.
I definitely don't recommending "folding" it back. I've seen quite a few selvedge/stamps stuck together, ruining both.
In general, you are unlikely to get more money for a stamp collection if it has some selvedge attached, unless it is a specialized collection. You might get more for a selvedge collection if it has some stamps attached -- it's sort of a supply/demand thing.
You sort of have to decide which one you collect, and prioritize based on that.
If you use free-form pages (such as Vario-type stockpages) or design your own pages, it isn't so much of a problem.
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Post by vikingeck on Nov 7, 2020 22:58:45 GMT
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Post by Jerry B on Nov 8, 2020 9:12:48 GMT
Hi
Years ago I asked the same question about keeping the selvage. I was told the following by an expert:
1. If a single stamp, save the selvage if there are any markings or text on it.
2. If a margin copy has significance, save the selvage to show that it is a margin copy, and which margin.
3. If a set of stamps, if all stamps have selvage then save it.
Other than the above statements, it is a personal preference to save or not save selvage. Personally, I save the selvage.
Jerry B
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Post by brightonpete on Nov 8, 2020 13:52:46 GMT
If it is blank, get rid of it. As to the pictures ameis33 showed, I'd get rid of it. If there is scroll work, traffic lights of any kind, printer info, plate number, then I'd keep it. |
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Post by ausbrasilien on Nov 8, 2020 15:10:17 GMT
I have once bought a lot mounted in an albun page in which the selvage were carefully bended behind the stamps and I didnot realize that they existed untill I decided to move the stamps out. Some had stuck to the reverse of the stamps, though...
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Post by kostia84 on Nov 8, 2020 19:16:14 GMT
Well, I am not even close to being any kind of authority, just your simple amateur philatelist, but I do prefer to always keep the selvage as is.
Tearing or bending feels to me like an act of vandalism, and I just can't make myself do this.
I always thought that selvage makes the stamp a little bit more special, compared to other ones on the pane.
And maybe as an Israeli I am too influenced by the Israeli stamps in which selvage is a special matter.
That's my two cents.
Kostia
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Post by dgdecker on Nov 9, 2020 1:08:04 GMT
I only keep selvage on any stamp before 1960 as a general guide. Definitely do not keep on any current issues. I do keep if there is printer info etc. I just do not have the space.
David
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ameis33
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Post by ameis33 on Nov 9, 2020 21:48:09 GMT
Why all this hate for modern stamps?
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Post by khj on Nov 10, 2020 3:03:03 GMT
...or apathy toward modern selvedge?  |
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Post by Ryan on Nov 10, 2020 7:05:06 GMT
There are specialized Germany collectors, at least, who are aghast at the conversation here ... ripping off selvedge? AIYEEEE!!! I have three books in my library for German printed selvedges. The most comprehensive in scope is this Philotax book which covers pretty much any kind of marginal marking on post-WWII German stamps. There are no prices, though - it just explains pretty much any example they can find for various markings. I also have priced booklets for various markings on corner stamps only (by Törk) and for "Formnummern" (by Schwarz, the little single-digit numbers seen on some corner stamps). I'm pretty certain that there are notes in Michel's specialized Germany catalogue which give value increases for various markings (for example, the accounting value numbers at the top margin of each column on German stamps, also seen above on side margins of Austrian stamps). Of course, it's up to each collector - some hate margins, some hate straight edges, some hate "wavy line" cancels, I hate pen cancels, philatelia hates people writing on the backs of her stamps, etc etc etc. But my tagline here says if I have a catalogue for it then I collect it, and since I have some catalogues for marginal markings, I collect them!  Ryan |
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Post by philatelia on Jun 18, 2024 18:35:03 GMT
For anyone who is tempted to remove selvage or attached labels, think twice and do some research first! Please take a look at these prices for this common Irish stamp. This stamp WITHOUT selvage/label is worth a few pennies but WITH the selvage/label - WOWZERS! Prices are from an email sent to me by Raven stamps in Cork, Ireland. The stamps are currently being offered at these prices if you’re interested.  |
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Post by dorincard on Jun 19, 2024 15:02:31 GMT
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Post by dorincard on Jun 19, 2024 15:04:23 GMT
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Post by fazeman on Jun 19, 2024 18:12:52 GMT
With the variety of Vario pages, there is always room for selvage on stamps. Though in some cases, I have no qualms about removing selvage or gutters so long as the pages of stamps are aesthetically pleasing.
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