ausbrasilien
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Post by ausbrasilien on Nov 10, 2020 18:58:21 GMT
I am trying to mount my collection of German Occupation in Belgium. I have already seen some examples under the German perspective (I mean, collections from collectors of German stamps).
I wonder if there is a different Belgian perspective of mounting such collection by collectors of Belgian stamps.
As those are stamps issued from Germany in Belgian territory, I wonder if collectors of Belgium issues also get interested by this toppic.
I also intend to include the Belgian occupation of Germany and the Eupen & Malmedy issues...
Do you think those are a good closure for this mounting of collection?
regards, Thales
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Post by stainlessb on Nov 10, 2020 20:00:49 GMT
I have not yet gotten to the occupation period/overprints yet, although I have a fair amount for both World Wars for various western European countries. . Myself i would include the German Occupation stamps of Belgium with Belgium, as it represents a period of their history-
but that is just me
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ausbrasilien
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Post by ausbrasilien on Nov 10, 2020 20:10:25 GMT
In fact, I plan to put together my stamps and covers from the period as a stand alone collection. I am fighting with the boundaries though! Should I include Ettapen Gebiet West? (As two provinces of Belgium were in this area... Should I place together the subsequent Belgian Occupation of Germany as to give some dramatic ending to the collection, I mean, the overturn, the occuping power was now being occupied by belgium, or should I separate those two collections as separated toppics?
Opinions are welcome!
Thanks!
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Post by dgdecker on Nov 10, 2020 22:47:01 GMT
My thought on how is plan to mount my German Occupation stamps is to include it in the German collection. Will identify as occupation stamps ordered by country. Or I might order by date issued. I am a long way from starting this project. At least I am thinking ahead.
David
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Post by brightonpete on Nov 11, 2020 1:53:27 GMT
I collect Luxembourg and I included the German overprinted Luxembourg stamps in the collection as they were issued. But it seems like Luxembourg is a far simpler situation than the one in Belgium that you describe, Thales ( ausbrasilien )
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Post by blaamand on Nov 11, 2020 10:42:38 GMT
I like the question you are raising. How to fit in such minor collecting areas / "dead countries" into a bigger picture. As with much else, this is up to each collectors preference. Personally I prefer to maintain a timeline for present-day countries as far as possible. In this case issues of German Occ. of Belgium, Belgian occupation of Germany and what was to become Eupen and Malmedy all makes part of the postal history of present day Belgian territory. So in my opinion they subsequently belong in the timeline for Belgian stamps. Hence I've incorporated all of these areas into my Belgium collection, and dedicated pages for occupation issues constitutes a "break" in the timeline for the plain Belgian issues themselves.
Ettapen-gebiet West is more complicated, because those issues were used in occupied territory that is now both in Belgium and France. Hence they kind of belong to the timeline for both Belgium and France. Hmmmm... what to do with such 'shared' issues? I've opted to include them with Belgium because it affected a relatively much larger part of Belgium than France, and I also believe most of the E-G.W issues were used in Belgian territory. But that's just me.
Similar questions arise for lots of other temporary stamp entities. It is not straight forward to define which present day area/country the former area belongs to. Example given French West Africa, French Occidental Africa, French Indochina, Kenya-Uganda-Tanzania, Italian Offices abroad ('Estero'), French General Colonies and many others...
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ausbrasilien
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Post by ausbrasilien on Nov 11, 2020 12:02:47 GMT
My thought on how is plan to mount my German Occupation stamps is to include it in the German collection. Will identify as occupation stamps ordered by country. Or I might order by date issued. I am a long way from starting this project. At least I am thinking ahead. David Thanks David. I am not trying to place it either in Germany or Belgium, I have these stamps in a stock book, and some covers as well. I am trying to build pages telling the story of the occupation and placing the stamps in between. I have researched many texts to fill the spaces in between stamps, but all were from collections relating to Germany, I mean, from the German perspective. I wonder if there are also collectors who have mounted this occupation collection under a Belgian perspective, so that I can build the collection with a very neutral and storicaly accurate text. Regards, Thales
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ausbrasilien
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Post by ausbrasilien on Nov 11, 2020 12:23:42 GMT
I collect Luxembourg and I included the German overprinted Luxembourg stamps in the collection as they were issued. But it seems like Luxembourg is a far simpler situation than the one in Belgium that you describe, Thales ( ausbrasilien ) I am trying to tell a story in between the stamps series. I am separating this collection and trying to tell a story using the stamps and covers (A postal history mounting). I just do not know if I start with the first emission of the Gen.G., tell the historical context, then tell about the changes in the war, and the second emission. I could also add the Et. Geb.West (part occupation in France, part in Belgium) and then finish this pages that I am panning saying: (a) that the occupation ended and the stamps were no longer valid after the retreat of german troops. (b) that after the armistice Eupen and Malmedy reverted to Belgium and there was also an occupation in parts of Germany (and then mount these emissions together with the Gen. G. Bel.) Thank you, Thales
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ausbrasilien
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Post by ausbrasilien on Nov 11, 2020 12:30:45 GMT
I like the question you are raising. How to fit in such minor collecting areas / "dead countries" into a bigger picture. As with much else, this is up to each collectors preference. Personally I prefer to maintain a timeline for present-day countries as far as possible. In this case issues of German Occ. of Belgium, Belgian occupation of Germany and what was to become Eupen and Malmedy all makes part of the postal history of present day Belgian territory. So in my opinion they subsequently belong in the timeline for Belgian stamps. Hence I've incorporated all of these areas into my Belgium collection, and dedicated pages for occupation issues constitutes a "break" in the timeline for the plain Belgian issues themselves. Ettapen-gebiet West is more complicated, because those issues were used in occupied territory that is now both in Belgium and France. Hence they kind of belong to the timeline for both Belgium and France. Hmmmm... what to do with such 'shared' issues? I've opted to include them with Belgium because it affected a relatively much larger part of Belgium than France, and I also believe most of the E-G.W issues were used in Belgian territory. But that's just me. Similar questions arise for lots of other temporary stamp entities. It is not straight forward to define which present day area/country the former area belongs to. Example given French West Africa, French Occidental Africa, French Indochina, Kenya-Uganda-Tanzania, Italian Offices abroad ('Estero'), French General Colonies and many others... Thanks! I share the idea that this should be a separate part and I will adopt this idea of timeline. Will include Belgian occupation of Germany and what was to become Eupen and Malmedy as all make part of the postal history of present day Belgian territory and the belgian emission in German territory closes the circle started with the german emissions in Belgian territory. Now the doubt remains only concerning Et.geb.West Regards, Thales
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Post by cjoprey on Nov 11, 2020 12:35:41 GMT
Hi Thales ( ausbrasilien), It sounds like trying to tell the story of Belgian history as seen from a stamp perspective. In this case, I would definitely tell it including all the relevant occupations, including Belgian occupation of Germany, German occupation of Belgium, Eupen / Malmedy, etc. I would also consider then telling the story of Belgian occupation elsewhere, for instance early Belgian Congo, the Belgian occupation of German East Africa, etc...
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Post by ausbrasilien on Nov 11, 2020 16:13:16 GMT
Hi Thales ( ausbrasilien ), It sounds like trying to tell the story of Belgian history as seen from a stamp perspective. In this case, I would definitely tell it including all the relevant occupations, including Belgian occupation of Germany, German occupation of Belgium, Eupen / Malmedy, etc. I would also consider then telling the story of Belgian occupation elsewhere, for instance early Belgian Congo, the Belgian occupation of German East Africa, etc... Thanks for your advice! I collect the German Area and I try to tell a story for each part of the collection. (Next will be German Occupations in the Eastern Ffront during WW I...) The idea is really to show the development of the political changes trough the istamp issues. There (in the East) I intend to follow German occupations by Abistimung Gebieten, showing the political change there too... I also collect German Colonies, there I have some British and French overprints (they are in Michel Germany), but untill recently, I did not know about the Belgian Occupation issues. (It was by chance that I found two of them among other stamps and put in the collection - I have not mounted those yet...). Regards, Thales
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