polarbear
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What I collect: Canada Used to 2015, revenues, perfins. Newfoundland, St. Pierre & Miquelon, Worldwide textiles/handwork and Christmas.
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Post by polarbear on Dec 26, 2020 23:09:51 GMT
Okay, I’m neck deep in checking perfs and watermarks on Newfoundland stamps. I’m working on the Pictorial Issues at the moment. I have two Steamship “Caribou” stamps, with no watermarks. Under magnification one has a higher flag in the stern of the boat. Because there’s no watermark on either stamp I’m thinking they are #146 (1928 issue) and #164 (1929-1931 issue). However the perfs are weird. They don’t seem to match anything in Unitrade for this stamp. The one with the higher flagstaff is 13.5 horizontal x 13 vertical. Photos below:   Can anyone help me figure this out? I want to mount these stamps in the Newfoundland album Bill Weston designed for The Stamp Web. |
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cjd
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Post by cjd on Dec 26, 2020 23:22:46 GMT
On the 1928 two cent stamp, the top of the rear flag is below the lifeboat davit next to it (to its left). That tells me that your bottom stamp is 1928. On the re-engraved stamp from 1929, the flag is above the davit. (This information is taken from Holmes' Specialized.)
ETA: The only compound perf listed in that resource is 13.25x12.75 from 1928. If I'm reading it right, that comes on both a thin paper as in the 1923 issue, and regular paper.
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khj
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Post by khj on Dec 26, 2020 23:38:07 GMT
An alternative is the notice the spacing between the final "D" in "NEWFOUNDLAND" and the scroll at top right. In the original engraving the spacing is ~1mm, while the re-engraved spacing is ~½mm.
According to Unitrade:
1928 original engraving, unwatermarked: Three perforation heads were used -- comb perf. 14 x 13.9, comb perf. 13.5 x 12.75
and line perf. 13. 7 to 14 or compound
1929-1931 re-engraved, unwatermarked: Four perforation heads were used: comb perf. 14 x 13.9, comb perf. 13.6 x 13.5,
comb perf. 13.6 x 13.8 and line perf. 13.7 to 14 or compound
And to tie up loose ends...
1931 re-engraved, watermarked: Two perforating heads were used: comb perf. 13.4 x 13.4 for the 1 ¢ and comb perf.
13.6 x 13.8 for the other values
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cjd
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Post by cjd on Dec 26, 2020 23:45:14 GMT
The Unitrade perf data is much more specific than Holmes and I'm going to guess it's the result of newer scholarship?
The other distinction noted in Holmes is that 1929 is the only one on thick paper. Again, if I'm reading it right...
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polarbear
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What I collect: Canada Used to 2015, revenues, perfins. Newfoundland, St. Pierre & Miquelon, Worldwide textiles/handwork and Christmas.
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Post by polarbear on Dec 27, 2020 0:07:08 GMT
Thanks khj and cjd. The scroll is much easier to see the difference. I found a better light to view the stamps by. It makes a difference. |
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khj
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Post by khj on Dec 27, 2020 0:08:14 GMT
The Unitrade perf data is much more specific than Holmes and I'm going to guess it's the result of newer scholarship? That would be my guess. But you know, every once in awhile new information gets removed because it turns out it is not correct or subject to misinterpretation. My 2018 Unitrade makes no mention of paper change, although it does list a cream paper variety for one of the stamps. Unfortunately, I do not have Holmes. |
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Post by cjd on Dec 27, 2020 0:47:12 GMT
Not to beat a dead caribou, but polarbear, would you say that the paper is noticeably thicker on the re-engraved stamp? |
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polarbear
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Post by polarbear on Dec 27, 2020 1:58:21 GMT
cjd.  You know me too well. I checked it right away. Yes, it is noticeably thicker than the other stamp. I also saw the difference in those scrolls next to the D in Newfoundland. Plus there’s the flag. If I hadn’t been flyspecking on flags I wouldn’t have noticed anything. I did learn a new word tonight. Davit = a crane or lift like structure on the side of a boat to hold lifeboats or lower them down. Looks like a good SCRABBLE word. 
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You know me too well. I checked it right away. Yes, it is noticeably thicker than the other stamp. I also saw the difference in those scrolls next to the D in Newfoundland. Plus there’s the flag. If I hadn’t been flyspecking on flags I wouldn’t have noticed anything. I did learn a new word tonight. Davit = a crane or lift like structure on the side of a boat to hold lifeboats or lower them down. Looks like a good SCRABBLE word. 