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Post by DK on Dec 31, 2020 23:38:43 GMT
The set was introduced in 1882 to serve the dual purpose of prepaying both postal and revenue charges, earlier issues having only postal validity. The ½d was first issued in 1895, the 2½d in 1890 and 5d in 1891. Four different papers were used during the period 1882-1898, and the Waterlow paper was used for a provisional printing of the ½d and 2d in 1900. The original perforating machine used was a comb machine gauging 12 x 11½. This was followed in 1890 by two rotary machines gauging 10 and in 1896 by a rotary machine gauging 11. The latter was used in conjunction with one of the rotary 10 machines for a time, but from 1897 the rotary 11 machine was used alone. Throughout the period an older perf. 12½ (line) machine was occassionally used alone or in combination with the 'nearly 12', 10 and 11 machines. It was also used to reperforate sheets originally defectively perforated thus giving rise to 'mixed' perforations. The multiplicity of machines and the occassional use of two machines in combination resulted in a wider range of perforation varieties than is found in any other group of New Zealand stamps. It would seem that at times defective electros were replaced by new ones held in reserve, such 'substituted electros' being recognisable by characteristic flaws in design. These are of considerable interest to the specialist. DesignsBased on those of the First Sideface issue of 1874, adapted by W.H Norris to include the words "Postage and Revenue". In the ½d the head was copied from coins of the period. The design was the work of F.W Sears. The head on the 2½d was copied from Jubilee coins of 1887, the 2½d, being designed by A.E Cousins, the 5d by A.W Jones. Dies, Plates and PrintingThe dies were engraved by W.R Bock and A.E Cousins. Electrotypes were made by W.H Kirk of the Government Printing Office, and the printing was by the Government Printer, Wellington. The dies of the 1d and 2d values were retouched by A.E Cousins in 1886 and again in 1889. The 6d value was retouched in the later year. Composition of SheetsSheets of 240 in four panes of 60 (10 horizontal rows 6) Identification of Papers usedFour papers were used apart from the provisional use of the thick Waterlow paper, used sideways for the ½d and 2d in 1900. These papers are known for convinience as the 'first', 'second', 'third', and 'fourth' papers. - First Paper - 1882 to 1888
This is similar to the paper used for the First Sideface issue. It differs from the others in having a Horizontal Mesh and in its watermark, in which there is a distance of 6mm between the foot of the 'NZ' and the top of the 'Star'.
Second Paper - 1888-1898 A fine quality smooth paper with Vertical Mesh, in the watermark there is a distance of 7mm between the foot of the 'NZ' and the top of the 'Star'.
Third Paper - 1890-91 A good quality paper with Vertical Mesh, the watermark having only 4mm between 'NZ' and 'Star'. Also known as 'Life Insurance' paper.
Fourth Paper - 1898 A coarse paper with very clear Vertical Mesh. Found only with perf. 11. The watermark is the same as in the 'Second' paper
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In 1893 the Government entered into contract with Messrs Miller, Truebridge and Reich giving them the right to utilize the backs of stamps for advertising purposes. All denominations from 1d to 1/- were made use of (The ½d coming out in 1895, after the contract had been terminated). Acknowledgements: CP Catalogue of New Zealand Stamps Original SetA) Paper with horiz mesh (1.4.82-86) wmk. NZ & Star 6mm a) p12 x 11.5 SG 187 - 193
b) p12.5 (1884?) wmk. NZ & Star 6mm 1d Rose to Rose-red (die 1) HM Rose (shades) SG 193a
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Post by DK on Jan 1, 2021 0:04:46 GMT
B) Paper with vert mesh (1888-95) wmk. NZ & Star 7mm a) p12 x 11.5 SG 194 - 203 b) p12 x 12.5 (1888-91) wmk. NZ and Star 7mm 1d Rose (die 2) VM SG 204c) p12.5 (1888-89) wmk. NZ and Star 7mm SG 205-207d) mixed perfs 12x11.5 & 12.5 (1891-93) wmk. NZ and Star 7mm SG 207a - 207eDave
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Post by DK on Jan 1, 2021 0:25:03 GMT
C) Paper with vert mesh (1890) wmk. NZ and Star 4mm a) p12 x 11.5 SG 208 - 213b) p12.5 (1890) wmk. NZ & Star NZ and Star 4mm SG 214-216c) p12 x 12.5 (1890) wmk. NZ & Star NZ and Star 4mm SG 216a
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Post by DK on Jan 1, 2021 0:58:14 GMT
D) Paper with vert mesh (1891-1900) continuation of wmk. NZ & Star 7mm a) p10 x 12.5 (1891 - 94) SG 216b - 216jb) p10 (1891 - 95) SG 217 - 226 c) p10 x 11 (1895 - 97) SG 227 - 235 d) p11 (1895 - 1900) SG 236 - 245
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Post by DK on Jan 1, 2021 1:18:06 GMT
Advertisements: Also referred to as 'Adsons' 18 individual advertisers participated in this initiative in 1893: Beecham's Products Bonnington's Irish Moss Cadbury Bros. E.H Crease & Son Dodgshun & Co. Flag Brand Pickles & Sauce Fry's Cocoa Kaitangata Coal Lattey, Livermore & Co. Ltd Lochead's Universal Supply Depot Macbean Stewart's 'new cure' for asthma, diptheria and croup S. Myers & Co. Poneke meat products Salsaline Food Preservative W. Strange & Co Sunlight Soap Patent Odourless Waterproofs Geo. W. Wilton Truebridge, Miller & Reich Adverts were in several colours. Here are a few: Most were printed on the p10 stamps of the time, but some were printed on the scarcer to find p12 x 11½ Dave
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Post by DK on Jan 1, 2021 1:31:53 GMT
and lastly, in 1900 they released the final 2 in this series: 1900Thick, soft 'Pirie' paper wmk. Double-lined 'NZ and Star' sideways p11 SG 271 - 272
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Post by DK on Jan 3, 2021 1:16:29 GMT
I recently posted an NZ Chalon on the Chalon thread that has a colored cancellation. It is not common ! I have this 1/- from the Second Sideface set that also, unusually, has a colored cancellation. I have not ever seen another stamp from this set with this colored cancel : Paper with horiz mesh (1.4.82-86) wmk. NZ & Star 6mm a) p12 x 11.5 SG 193
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Post by DK on Apr 19, 2022 23:44:39 GMT
gc Grant had put in this into the 'SON' thread. A nice Railway Travelling Post Office postmark on an 1882 2nd Sideface 3d: Dave
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Post by DK on Jul 9, 2022 1:45:35 GMT
I bought this lot from a dealer (Kadine) recently. It cost me NZ$25.00 (@ US$15) I bought it purely because I was buying some plate proofs of the SSF from him at the time and thought that this lot of 18 2½d's were worth purchasing to have a sort thru'. Here is the lot: Thinking I might get a few of the p12x11½'s in them of varying wmk's - especially the 4mm wmk - I love buying these kind of lots if cheap enough :-) Anyway, I was sorting thru' them the other day and one of them had some envelope still attached to it so gave it a soak. Once it was dry (yesterday) I flattened it overnight. Today, I was about to put it into my SSF stockbook and decided to measure its perfs so that I knew which one it was in SG. Well - I thought it would be p12x11½ at first glance. It isn't!! Its a p12½ all round! SG 207 Cat value in SG of £350 And there I was thinking it would be a common SG197 CV £5.50 Moral of the story - it PAYS to check the perfs even if you THINK you know what it is. Dave
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Post by gc on Jul 9, 2022 4:06:00 GMT
Great find Dave !! Well done Grant
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Post by nbstamper on Jul 14, 2022 12:32:17 GMT
The one pence stamp of this issue is noted for having a number of prominent plate flaws. I purchased this cover a few years ago. The left stamp has one of the flaws in the upper left frame. Although I have some singles, this is the only cover I've seen so far with one of the "flaw" stamps but am always watching for others.
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Post by nbstamper on Jul 14, 2022 12:43:52 GMT
Here is another of the flaws; a lot more visible on a mint copy.
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Post by DK on Jul 15, 2022 21:18:48 GMT
Nice flaws on the 1d value there nbstamperHere is a screenshot of a page from the 'New Zealand Society of Great Britain' website of New Zealand stamp images : NZ Second Sideface flaws
1d2dThere are numerous transient flaws found with this issue along with several constant ones. Lets see what you have :-) Dave
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Post by DK on Jul 15, 2022 21:30:05 GMT
A full sheet of the 1d plate layout. Note the 4 panes of 60 ! Dave
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Post by DK on Jul 15, 2022 21:38:42 GMT
Here are 3 pairs of the flaws of the 1d: 1d Screwdriver flaw1d Chisel flaw1d Chisel flaw 'precursor'Dave
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Post by DK on Jul 15, 2022 21:46:33 GMT
and a couple of the 'N' flaw in the word 'penny': 1d 'N' flawDave
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Post by DK on Jul 15, 2022 21:58:31 GMT
Here is an unusual one. The Queen in 'Leopard skin' flaw. A transient flaw as it is not recorded and no others seen to date. The stamp not in the best of condition, but an oddity for sure. Opinions welcomed on what 'you' think may have caused this - rusty plate / oil or grease on the plate / dirty plate !? Dave
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Post by DK on Jul 15, 2022 22:07:47 GMT
Here is a flaw on the 1/- value - 'Cute nose' ma'am Dave
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Post by DK on Jul 15, 2022 22:15:35 GMT
Another transient flaw - 1d 'bullet hole to the head' flaw: Dave
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Post by nbstamper on Jul 16, 2022 13:00:18 GMT
Wow; guess I will have a closer look at my small stock of duplicates. This subject area has probably been exhibited before; but, if not, it could be very interesting if one could assemble enough material from the full set.
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Post by nbstamper on Jul 16, 2022 13:08:02 GMT
DK; here's one on which it would be great to get an opinion. The feather flaw on a one penny O.P.S.O. overprint. If the overprint is not forged, I would have to think this is a real rarity. However, there were a lot of forgeries of this "official" stamp. I have never sent it for a cert and am wondering if it might be worth checking.
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Post by DK on Jul 16, 2022 21:44:32 GMT
That would be 'rare' if genuine nbstamper :-) It would 'need' to go for an opinion as, as you say, there are a lot of forgeries of these out there, particularly on eBay & Trademe. Just my initial thought, if it is a forgery then it is a good one. Some of them out there do not even come close to looking 'right'. And here are some examples of the forged ones: On that 'other' board downunder (you know which one I mean!!) - there is a thread about these with some very good information. I shall not point people to it here but will repeat some of the important info from it: From Chippin:Interesting area - and a potential minefield. There are LOTS of forgeries out there which vary from the very crude to the dangerously good. O.P.S.O. (On Public Service Only) stamps were for use by the Post & Telegraph Office, Wellington and therefore the best way to guarantee you have a genuine example is to collect on an official cover. I think I am right in saying they were only ever used on overseas mail. Needless to say these are scarce and very expensive. Used examples are tricky but avoid even the best looking ones if they are not on stamps with a 'Wellington' postmark. Postmarked from anywhere else they are not genuine. Mint examples do come to the market from time to time. It is believed that a lot of remainderd stamps from the late 1800s was overprinted with the OPSO handstamp and included in 'presentation' sets given to visiting VIPs. I have attached a scan from the "Midas" sale (Sotheby's, London Dec 11th 1989). This is lot 1027 which shows the ½d newspaper stamp with the OPSO overprint on (part of) an Official envelope. This sale had a lot of exaples of these overprints and many were illustrated in the catalogue. This was the only one in colour though. The 'New Zealand Society of Great Britain' (check out their web site) is in the latter stages of publishing a book on the OPSOs which, fingers crossed, will be available later this year. From Adam78:Here's a proper one for those who are curious. Although Green is not the usual colour, most are red/magenta/violet, but the 5d is known with green. Some more genuine ones : Mint 'genuine' ones are believed to be remainders used in 'Presentation' sets. NB: nbstamper would you be the one that posted this up on SB 10 years ago? Dave
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Post by nbstamper on Jul 16, 2022 22:32:13 GMT
Yep!
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Post by nzgrant on Jan 18, 2024 7:51:50 GMT
I picked up these two 1d Rose pairs a few years ago with grossly misprinted advertisements on 2nd/3rd setting lilac/mauve DA2j(4). The perforations are correct for the front of the stamps, so the error was in the printing of the advertisements on the back. I haven't seen any like these in thousands of advertisement stamps so they must be fairly uncommon. Note that the postmarks are only a day apart in Dunedin, so perhaps both pairs came from the same sheet.
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Post by rod222 on Jan 18, 2024 9:32:43 GMT
I picked up these two 1d Rose pairs a few years ago with grossly misprinted advertisements on 2nd/3rd setting lilac/mauve DA2j(4). The perforations are correct for the front of the stamps, so the error was in the printing of the advertisements on the back. I haven't seen any like these in thousands of advertisement stamps so they must be fairly uncommon. Note that the postmarks are only a day apart in Dunedin, so perhaps both pairs came from the same sheet. Adverts on NZ stamps Top pair location, 3rd row down, 4th and 5th advert from left (seen from back of sheet) Bottom pair : 4th row down, 4th, 5th and 6th advert from left
So, yes, those two pairs, were joined, one above the other.
1893, Second setting, bottom panes.
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Post by DK on Jan 18, 2024 22:55:17 GMT
I picked up these two 1d Rose pairs a few years ago with grossly misprinted advertisements on 2nd/3rd setting lilac/mauve DA2j(4). The perforations are correct for the front of the stamps, so the error was in the printing of the advertisements on the back. I haven't seen any like these in thousands of advertisement stamps so they must be fairly uncommon. Note that the postmarks are only a day apart in Dunedin, so perhaps both pairs came from the same sheet. I would agree that they probably came from the same sheet. Possibly a block of the 1d was bought by a person wanting stamps for ongoing postage. This was a few years before booklets were used in NZ of course. It seems also, as you say, that the rear printing of the advertisements never aligned with the frontal printing of the Queens portrait (assuming, which I think is correct, that the sheets were printed with the Queens portrait first). Nice items nzgrant Dave
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Post by angore on Mar 4, 2024 13:32:36 GMT
I have a 1p perf 10 and wanting to confirm the perforation for Scott 61 (base, a b, c, etc). I looked at Colnect (since good to see variants) and it states Sc 61 perf 11 . Now Stamp Manage (not always very accurate) has it as perf 12. from 2018 Scott Classic Colnect 3-4-24
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Post by khj on Mar 4, 2024 16:27:21 GMT
In Scott, perforation varieties with premiums are listed as minor catalog numbers. Perf 10 is the basic #61, along with any of the other possibles listed in the header. Perf10 & perf11 (rose, not the deep carmine variety) are the most common.
Scott does a disservice by not listing out all the other perforation varieties that have a significant premium -- thereby letting the collector think everything that is not listed is #61 catalog value. You really need to go to SG to see all the perforation/die varieties.
Regarding the info in Stamp Manage, as far as I know, the perf12 only exists as a compound with another different perf (e.g., 12x11½). I defer to others to confirm or correct.
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Post by djcmh on Mar 4, 2024 19:43:27 GMT
I have a 1p perf 10 and wanting to confirm the perforation for Scott 61 (base, a b, c, etc). I looked at Colnect (since good to see variants) and it states Sc 61 perf 11 . Now Stamp Manage (not always very accurate) has it as perf 12. from 2018 Scott Classic Colnect 3-4-24 Re Colnect's listing, since Scott uses the same number for several perf variations, we assign the basic Sn number to the most common perforation variety (based on Campbell Paterson) and in this case that is the perf 11 for the Rose. The perf 10 rose is linked as a regular variant, but does not have an Sn number assigned since it is slightly more valuable than the perf 11.
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Post by angore on Mar 5, 2024 12:12:20 GMT
Thanks. I believe the first perf mentioned is usually the default but was unsore. djcmh, Scott does not state the perf 10 is more valuable explicity but even the Scott classic 2018 does not have nearlyu the same number of listings as SG's 1840-1970.
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