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Post by redkiwi on May 15, 2024 10:34:30 GMT
This humble little 6d cover came up on eBay recently. It's one of only a handful of known SSF 6d covers used in 1882.
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Post by DK on May 17, 2024 21:33:08 GMT
I saw that cover on eBay Klem. Nice score! 1882 dated examples are very worth collecting due to the haphazard way this issue was released to the public. Although AP 1 1882 is the official release date individual Post Offices released them only when stocks of both the FSF and Stamp Duty types ran out.
28 JY 82 is a great early date!
Dave
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Post by redkiwi on May 18, 2024 4:51:52 GMT
Here's Robin's list from NZSC of known 1882 use of 6d SSF stamps. Only 5 on covers.
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Post by tundrawolf on May 18, 2024 8:30:15 GMT
Here's another one.
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Post by redkiwi on May 18, 2024 9:37:28 GMT
That one wasn't listed in Robin's survey. A good addition.
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Post by rod222 on May 18, 2024 12:35:35 GMT
tundrawolf Any possibility or reading the addressee under all the scribble ? Shepton Mallet is close to my home town in Somerset Your cover seems to be signed "HP" I am wondering if it correspondence of a Vincent Pyke, or Vincent Pike, or to Pike's family ? (Born in Shepton Mallet) In 1862 Pyke visited the Otago goldfields, and became Secretary or Commissioner of the goldfields for the Otago Provincial Council. He then moved to Dunstan and Clyde. He was the first Chairman of Vincent County, which was named after him following an ironic suggestion by an opponent. He represented the electorates of Wakatipu 1873–1875, then Dunstan 1875–1890. He contested the 1890 election in the Mount Ida electorate, but was beaten by Scobie Mackenzie. He then represented Tuapeka from 1893 to 1894 when he died. He was noted for his loyalty to Clyde and his Central Otago constituents.
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Post by redkiwi on May 18, 2024 12:53:10 GMT
tundrawolf Any possibility or reading the addressee under all the scribble ? Shepton Mallet is close to my home town in Somerset Your cover seems to be signed "HP" I am wondering if it correspondence of a Vincent Pyke, or Vincent Pike, or to Pike's family ? (Born in Shepton Mallet) In 1862 Pyke visited the Otago goldfields, and became Secretary or Commissioner of the goldfields for the Otago Provincial Council. He then moved to Dunstan and Clyde. He was the first Chairman of Vincent County, which was named after him following an ironic suggestion by an opponent. He represented the electorates of Wakatipu 1873–1875, then Dunstan 1875–1890. He contested the 1890 election in the Mount Ida electorate, but was beaten by Scobie Mackenzie. He then represented Tuapeka from 1893 to 1894 when he died. He was noted for his loyalty to Clyde and his Central Otago constituents. Here's the cover with the text highlighted:
Looks like Miss Gertrude Springford (or similar) was the original addressee.
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Post by tundrawolf on May 18, 2024 18:23:57 GMT
Nice enhancement there Klem. Not in Robin's earlier list but I sent him a scan of this one and other 1882 dated SSF stamps I have.
It's probably time for an updated list to be published.
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Post by rod222 on May 18, 2024 20:51:01 GMT
Here's the cover with the text highlighted:
Looks like Miss Gertrude Springford (or similar) was the original addressee. Wow! what a surprise, Bravo! redkiwi ! sadly, unable to now link the two, but statistically, it probably was linked to that family. PS: "Springford" is listed in the names of people in Parish Register from St Peter and Paul of Shepton Mallet in Somerset
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Post by DK on May 18, 2024 23:35:06 GMT
I found these amongst my spares of the Second Sidefaces (SSF) : All dated 82Now the CP catalog only mentions the 4d when it comes to the 1882 dated examples. It states : Stamps (D6a) dated 1882 are rare.D6a being the 1882 original issue 4d. I used Retroreveal to show in negative the 4d above as I wasn't sure if it was indeed 82 or some other date - 85 or 88 for example. What do you think? I also have this 1/- - it looks as though it is dated 80 ! which of course it couldn't be. Either a date slug error or a misshaped 80 - perhaps it should be 83! Dave
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Post by redkiwi on May 19, 2024 11:49:41 GMT
The 1/- 1882 is a nice example, Dave. They're not too common, either. A good little set to pull out of your spares. Here's Robin's list from 2011 on known usage of the 1/- in 1882:
Your 4d looks like a slightly deformed 2 rather than other possible numerals. I always keep an eye out for these 1882 use examples. Slowly working toward a full set. The 8 d below is one of only a handful (four at last count) recorded - $5 on eBay
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Post by xacs on May 20, 2024 6:44:57 GMT
Interesting that this is a topic being discussed right now as I was just wondering on an early use of this issue and thought to check this thread. As I don't have Robin's List I don't suppose there is a chance of seeing what there is for the 2d? Sure to be more and earlier examples given its relative abundance but keen to know.
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Post by redkiwi on May 20, 2024 9:19:36 GMT
Interesting that this is a topic being discussed right now as I was just wondering on an early use of this issue and thought to check this thread. As I don't have Robin's List I don't suppose there is a chance of seeing what there is for the 2d? Sure to be more and earlier examples given its relative abundance but keen to know. Robin's list in NZSC only starts with the 3d. I spoke with Tony Thackery about the 1 & 2ds which are, as you say, relatively abundant. He said anything cancelled in April 1882 is of interest. If I recall correctly, a very early 2d was auctioned last year through Mowbray, possibly the earliest SSF use known.
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Post by xacs on May 27, 2024 9:43:40 GMT
Well here is the stamp in question. A little beauty I picked up in a mixed lot of sidefaces, by far the best of the bunch. It was not for the date itself I was interested but the postal office. I had not seen an example of this one before and it prompted a little bit of research. We all know the 1906 Christchurch Exhibition through the first commemorative set issued for the event but turns out the 1882 Christchurch "International" Exhibition was heralded with equal if not greater enthusiasm in its day. Front Entry of Exhibition Building ...and the entire layout in Hagley Park, with NZ Court on left and World Court on rightAt least the organisers managed to get its own branch Postal Office and Money Order room for the duration of the exhibition. This was located in the entrance hall, possibly through the arched door on far left of the image below, behind the fountain. The Exhibition ran from 10th April through to 24th July 1882 and as impressive as the buildings were these were all promptly sold off and demolished within days of closing. Interesting coincidence on the opening date as almost the same as that of first issue of the new series of stamps. As such any used here will be either late use FSF or early SSF. (I have not found anything to confirm if this was deliberate and most likely not, though a big deal was made of new stamp issues in the day). Another little quirk I liked that related to this stamp was that one of the organisers was a Mr Twopeny. For those interested I recommend reading up on it, fascinating, these early exhibitions, real insights into what drove the development of this country. Clayton
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Post by xacs on May 27, 2024 9:46:40 GMT
And rotated for a better look at the postmark. Avoid all those sore necks!
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Post by redkiwi on May 27, 2024 16:36:19 GMT
A really nice and interesting cancel there, Clayton.
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Post by tundrawolf on May 27, 2024 19:36:07 GMT
Snap!
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Post by DK on May 27, 2024 20:42:39 GMT
Nice postmark guys They have it all going on for them : - CDS SON cancel
- Rare Post Office
- Early usage date - 1882
I want one! lol Dave
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Post by xacs on May 28, 2024 6:22:30 GMT
I imagine the majority of examples, though not common, will be well presented. At least the canceller would be crisp and new, never got a chance to wear, and they probably made more effort to produce nice cancels as it was as much for the event itself as need for postal service.
I would like to see one on First Sideface issue, but then I also wonder if the office may have only made available the newly issued Second sidefaces? Also question of how much scope there was for bringing in mail or other stamps for postage from the office or was it all "internal" to the event so to speak.
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Post by xacs on May 28, 2024 7:26:01 GMT
Nice postmark guys They have it all going on for them : - CDS SON cancel
- Rare Post Office
- Early usage date - 1882
I want one! lol Dave The other thing I like on this one is the balance of the date 28 JU 82. It has a symmetry to it, almost mirrored.
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Post by redkiwi on May 28, 2024 12:00:27 GMT
This piece from the NZSC brings together a couple of conversations in this thread into one interesting article ...
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Post by xacs on May 28, 2024 21:51:35 GMT
That it does. I wonder do you also have an image of the FSF referred to above as "the example opposite"? Thanks for sharing.
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Post by tundrawolf on May 29, 2024 3:16:43 GMT
Here's another April one. Philip
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Post by DK on Nov 29, 2024 18:21:03 GMT
I just received in from the UK these 3 small bundles of the SSF 1d & 2d. They only cost about £4-5 each, so worth a punt! and opened up : They are all very clean, no hinging evidence at all on any of them so presumably they have never been in a stamp album in their lives!! Dave
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Post by DK on Nov 29, 2024 18:23:02 GMT
And some of the better found amongst them : Dave
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Post by DK on Nov 29, 2024 18:29:48 GMT
A few varieties such as : A 'chisel flaw' , a 'screwdriver or ellipse flaw' an 'nn' flaw and a 'bullet hole thru head' Dave
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Post by DK on Nov 29, 2024 18:37:13 GMT
A few 'adsons' - advertisements on the rear from 1893 : Dave
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Post by DK on Nov 29, 2024 18:46:24 GMT
and a few decent closed post office 'A' class cancels : Dave
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Post by DK on Nov 29, 2024 18:47:44 GMT
There were no wmk varieties unfortunately but overall a very nice lot to have sorted thru', and plenty to look for in these common values!
Dave
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