ameis33
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What's in a name? That which we call a rose, by any other name would smell as sweet
Posts: 441
What I collect: Poland and Italy Republic
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Post by ameis33 on Jan 6, 2021 13:35:49 GMT
I've just got my copy of the Fischer catalog (Poland) ed. 2020 At the beginning, there is a small introduction in three languages, polish, german and english, about philately and stamps in general... Since the first time i've read this introduction (2005), i've always found interesting and reasonable this section: "With or without postal cancellation?" Maybe i would have written new or used, but the question is the right one. Are you interested in stamps? So why not to consider used stamps? They're exactly the same, they've assolved their job, they cost even less... Think about! Also, genuine used modern stamps are much scarce then mint... 
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jpotx113
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Posts: 422
What I collect: USA, Germany, Croatia, Slovenia, Machins, misc. WW
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Post by jpotx113 on Jan 6, 2021 15:17:32 GMT
Personally, I'd go with a mint stamp over one that is used if the cancellation is just a glob of ink, a wavy line, etc. On the other hand, if it's a nice SON cancellation or something interesting (such as a slogan) I generally mount the used version.
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vikingeck
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Posts: 2,805
What I collect: Samoa, Tobacco theme, Mail in Wartime, anything odd and unusual!
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Post by vikingeck on Jan 6, 2021 15:54:41 GMT
For me the collecting bug means “hunt” “search” chase” and the thrill is finding the elusive in the dross.
That means the nice used specimens SON, clear date, or slogan complete on piece or cover. Wavy lines, messy cancel , unreadable date are easy and never a challenge.
Collecting mint from a philatelic bureau or as a set from a dealer is too easy, and requires little effort .....no thrill of the hunt and no triumph in the find!
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WERT
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Posts: 1,062
What I collect: Canada and Provinces
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Post by WERT on Jan 6, 2021 16:44:34 GMT
Exactly..Imagine if every collector all have mint stamps..How boring that would be.
Robert
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polarbear
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Posts: 583
What I collect: Canada Used to 2015, revenues, perfins. Newfoundland, St. Pierre & Miquelon, Worldwide textiles/handwork and Christmas.
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Post by polarbear on Jan 6, 2021 17:34:55 GMT
I actually prefer used over mint, though I have both in my collection. I look on every used stamp as having a story to tell. Sometimes it’s clear what that story is, but often it’s more of a mystery. I love clear interesting cancels, but rarely find them these days.
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Post by dgdecker on Jan 6, 2021 19:57:12 GMT
As a child collection I collected any stamp. I did mainly stick to mint Canada as my grand parents delivered the mail for Canada Post. I would get every new issues. Many full sheets as gifts. i collect both now as I have grown to enjoy post marks and cancellations. Though generally it is the price that can be the determine factor. I am not collecting for « value » more for the trill of the chase as others have stated. such a great feeling when you find that all elusive one.
David
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mikeclevenger
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Posts: 887
What I collect: Ohio Tax Stamps, Ohio & Georgia Revenues, US Revenues, US FDC's, & Germany Classics
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Post by mikeclevenger on Jan 8, 2021 12:42:51 GMT
I have always, and always will, prefer a used stamp over a Mint stamp. A used stamp has done it's job, where as, a mint stamp is like that lazy cousin we all have, that has never done a days work, he just lays around, and looks good. I understand that some mint stamps are harder to find, especially the classics. But, in some cases, the used stamps are even harder to find than mint ones, and are worth much more.
Everyone has their own idea of what a nice stamp is, whether it is a perfectly centered, mint, with full gum, US #1 stamp, or last years Forever Flag stamp, with a smeared, wavy line cancel. It doesn't really matter which stamps you collect, mint or used, just as long as you collect stamps. You have to collect what you like and can afford, not what anyone tells you that you should collect.
Everyone also has their own way or collecting, sorting, and displaying their own stamp collection. Some people have to have every stamp perfectly mounted, in store bought stamp album, trying to fill every space with a stamp, so the pages look complete. There are people who just keep all their stamps in stock books, so their collection can be fluid, and can be changed any time they get a new stamp. Personally, I have some books with stamps hinged to pages, I have some hingleless albums full of mint stamps, hingeless albums full of used stamps, and I have some albums that are just Vario pages, laid out to look good, the way I like them. But most of all I have envelopes, stock books, and boxes full of stamps. Some that I have to sort through, and some that are just extras, but they are all "MY" stamps.
Collecting stamps is not like collecting other things, it isn't always about how much something is worth, or how much you can sell it for. To a comic book collector, a perfect looking, unread comic, is always what they want, no matter who you are. But to a stamp collector, the old used stamp may be more desirable than the perfect mint stamp. To most stamp collectors it is about the chase, finding that elusive stamp, the one that no one else can find, but you are determined to find it, for as cheap as possible, but in as good of condition as possible. We all have that "Holy Grail" stamp, you all know what I am talking about. That one stamp you have always wanted to find. You know it is out there, it calls your name every time you start looking for stamps, but you just can't hear which direction it is calling to you from. You know that you just have to find it some day, and be able to afford it. LOL.
The camaraderie that comes with collecting stamps, and engaging with other stamp collectors, is what it is all about. This Forum is what has made collecting stamps fun for me again. I have no stamp shows to go to anywhere near me, I have no stamps shop anywhere near me, I don't even know one stamp collector that lives near me, so all I have is the internet. I can buy stamps anywhere online, but I can't find knowledgeable people, who are nice, and helpful just anywhere, but we have all found that here, in this forum.
So, whether you collect mint or used stamps doesn't really matter, just so long as you enjoy collecting stamps. Collect what you like, whether it be mint or used, but never let anyone else tell you what you should collect, because there is no "Should Collect", just "COLLECT".
I hope everyone has a great day today.
Mike.
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kasvik
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Posts: 450
What I collect: Cancels mostly, especially Sweden Gävle and Lidingö, Switzerland Geneva, Germany Pforzheim
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Post by kasvik on Jan 9, 2021 2:57:17 GMT
mikeclevenger 's comments resonated. I collect both, happily, but for different reasons.
A mint stamp is the product of postal policy, clerical needs, design, engraving maybe, printing certainly. It’s all about institutions and intentions. The individually is there, but submerged. The melody is perfection. When moving into a new collecting realm, I usually start with new stuff—if I can afford it—because I’m fascinated by the purity, the relative simplicity, the perfection. But that’s just a starting point.
Over time I drift to canceled material. A used stamp tells stories, revealed through accidents, smudges, markings I struggle to cypher. Individuality is smeared all over it.
To me, a canceled stamp also offers connections with unseen collaborators, my unknown fellow collectors. It didn’t get into my collection through me alone. Someone else spotted it, soaked it, traded it. That makes a canceled stamp the work of a team. While I never will know them, their presence is right here, in front of me. Especially with a used stamp that cost a bit, I don’t feel like I own it. It's mine to look after for a while. Now and then I wonder vaguely, who’s next?
Ack; I sound like a Patek Philippe ad.
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Post by deniseb on Nov 5, 2022 23:24:58 GMT
I recently purchased a stamp online that was mailed to me, and as most suppliers do that I'm finding. He had mailed it with a stamp but he had sent it to the wrong address. Thankfully the address he sent it to was non-existent so it was sent back to him. He then placed the envelope with the stamp in a new envelope, along with some extra stamps as an apology, and mailed it to me with the proper address. I had removed the stamp from the envelope not realizing that sometimes the canceled mark on the paper could be important. I read into this after the fact. The cancellation Mark was clear and the stamp for return to sender was also extremely clear. Was that a huge mistake on my part or not a big deal? It was a stamp from this year.
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stainlessb
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What I collect: currently focused on most of western Europe, much of which is spent on France, Belgium, Germany and Great Britain Queen Victoria
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Post by stainlessb on Nov 5, 2022 23:52:59 GMT
probably not a fatal mistake, just a good lesson to evaluate when you have the envelope whether it should be saved (or cut to include full cancellation) or soaked off.
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Post by dgdecker on Nov 6, 2022 2:39:28 GMT
I recently purchased a stamp online that was mailed to me, and as most suppliers do that I'm finding. He had mailed it with a stamp but he had sent it to the wrong address. Thankfully the address he sent it to was non-existent so it was sent back to him. He then placed the envelope with the stamp in a new envelope, along with some extra stamps as an apology, and mailed it to me with the proper address. I had removed the stamp from the envelope not realizing that sometimes the canceled mark on the paper could be important. I read into this after the fact. The cancellation Mark was clear and the stamp for return to sender was also extremely clear. Was that a huge mistake on my part or not a big deal? It was a stamp from this year. Now that I find modern stamps are either not cancelled or are defaced with a marker, I pay more attention to postmarks. I do my best to save those that interest me or I save for a friend who enjoys sorting through postmarks. I collect both used and mint as my budget allows but I have limited space so I must be selective. I do pay more attention to pre 1950 marks. David
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ameis33
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What's in a name? That which we call a rose, by any other name would smell as sweet
Posts: 441
What I collect: Poland and Italy Republic
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Post by ameis33 on Nov 7, 2022 21:34:52 GMT
It's been about a couple of years since i moved my collection to used stamps. I bought a used collection of Italy Republic (i was used to collect just mint stamps) which i have then completed by taking the missing stamps... And the last valuable pieces i purchased were used stamps, better, on letter... However, speaking with my friends, i did not find them very much in agreement with my choice... "If you buy stamps, get them mint". This is the synthesis of their thought... I don't regret on my choice, but i still have the doubt they may be right... When i was completing the used collection i was speaking above, in the end i was missing a dozen of stamps, total CATALOG value less than 10 euros... I thought, i go to a stamp dealer and i buy them. Even paying the 100% of the catalog, without shipping costs i will still earn... A first seller didn't have them, another only had two or three. Another had them, but he told me that because the too low value, he wouldn't waste an hour of his time putting them together. And he told me to come back when i wanted stamps for 50 euros... Nobody cares about 5 cent things anymore... And i have completed my Poland from '48 to '59 (used)... I had tons of (used) stamps, but few complete sets... To put together 10 years, i finally had to buy them almost all... Now years '45-'46-'47 are missing... But there are very few used stamps with an expertizable cancellations of that period, and they cost a lot... And now there is War and Work and Warm...
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Post by stampsattic on Nov 19, 2022 17:25:53 GMT
This is an interesting topic. I think I will chime in as well. I began collecting stamps when I was 8.The meaning of "Stamp Collecting" to me meant receiving, finding, exchanging of used stamps. Collecting had a certain excitement to it because this was a time pre internet, the "world" was so large, travel was not that easy and to receive a stamp from another country or even to be able to fill a spot in the album was a whole different experience. We were not thinking of the value of the Stamp in terms of money. It was pure joy. Mint stamps are lovely,and I have some of those as well, but to this day, used stamps have a story about them,they also should carry more value for authenticity. A "used" Stamp has a certain age and "feel" to it that even a forger cannot replicate, but unfortunately it does not stop them and unsuspecting collectors may possess them be it used or Mint. At the end of the day,my preference for a collection is those with postal cancelation.
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