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Post by stainlessb on Jul 30, 2021 21:31:11 GMT
This just barely qualifies (?) as a 'classic. Cerés, Yvert 486 1 Franc 75 blue, issued December 2, 1940, Perfin A.G Ancoper A.G 94 Department Etranger Hachette (Google translate -Foreign Department Hachette (which appears to be an old publishing company) at the time located at 71 Boulevard St. Germain, Paris. 1900 - 46 This example has one of the pins in the A missing, there is only one other A.G perrfim described in Ancoper and it is similar but nota s robust. Listed as relatively common
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Post by stainlessb on Aug 4, 2021 0:28:35 GMT
René ( renden ) sent me the following perfins as he know I collect and he does not! (Thanks René!) and we start off with a mystery! Sage 15c Blue 1878, Yvert#90 Type IIC, , Perin CT which look like Ancoper CT 366 Campagnie Generale Transatlantic (Company General Transatlantic) (Maritime transport) Alger, Algeria. 1897 - 1914, not common (7) BUT, the year of postmark appears to be May 17, 1887... so something is amiss, and there are no CT perfins that date this early....Semeuse camée, 1922 10c green Yvert# 159 Type IB Perfin B.F (of which there are quite a few), however only 2 with a period after the B and F, and the center bar of the F identifies this as Ancoper B.F. , Bank of France ((banque de France), 1908 - 1937, fairly common (2) Paseteur 1F Blue, 1925 Yvert# 170, Perfin (with many missing pins) L.H, but looks to be but looks to be Ancoper H.L 83, Hachette Librairy Paris, Seine 1916 - 1920 very common (1) Semeuse Ligneé, 1926 50c Red, Yvert# 199 and uncertain of the Type (there a lot of differences but this may be a Type IV), Perfin CL with missing pins, but looks to be Ancoper CL 197, Credit Lyons, Oanne, Chateauroux, Agewn, Loire, Indre & Lot-et-Garonne 1894-1952, semi-common (3) Another Semeuse Ligneé, 1926 50c Red (faded to orange, which is not a recognized shade, Yvert# 199 and looks tobe a Type I, another Perfin L.H with missing pin*, but looks to be Ancoper H.L 83, Hachette Librairy Paris, Seine 1916, 1920 very common (1) * I see a trend developing! I can overlay this Perfin with the Pasteur above and they maych up!) Next, anotherSemeuse Camé, 1927 40c violet Yvert#238, with Perfin M.D.G. and pretty much a one-of-a-kind- Ancoper M.G.D. 44, Wholesale store of cooperators in France (Magasin de gros des cooperateurs de France) 1916-1954, semi-common (3) Paix (Peace) 50c red, 1932 Yvert#283 (Type I), with Perfin C.N. Ancoper C.N. 294-1 Comptour National D'EScompte (National Discount Counter) (Bank) Reinnes, Ille-ety-Vilainew, 1906-1952, semi-common (3). The tell-tale clue on this is the way the C on top right drops straight down and the last perf is more inside than the lower "iip" of the C another Paix (Peace) 50c red, 1932 Yvert#283I (TypeII), with Perfin NB. AncoperNB 2 Neyret-Beylier (construction company) Grenoble, Isere, 1906-1950, semi-common (3). Thank you again René!
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Post by WERT on Aug 4, 2021 0:48:37 GMT
I was looking at the perfins and thought should it be an "E" and not an "F" to make it a B.E... ....haha Also added a dot to make it a B.F....I know but remember many dots broken perf wheels occur.
I have 66,000 4 pin Canadian perfins and come across many, many broken perfs..Just saying. Robert
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Post by stainlessb on Aug 4, 2021 13:38:00 GMT
interesting WERT I considered thism however Ancoper doesn't list a single BE (or B.E or B.E.) of any kind, The F in this perf only has a single dot on the center bar of the F, But thanks for looking, always good to get another take on things! Although I suppose it could be an unrecorded perf , becoming the second mystery that René sent me!
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Post by stainlessb on Sept 2, 2021 23:08:27 GMT
another batch soaking today and as I look at what remains (trying to decide one more batch or two), this caught my eye I do not have a catalogue for any of Levant Post Offices- Constantinople-Galata - The stamp was issued ~ 1903 the obliteration appears to be/show a portion of Constantinople - and all of Galata- the lower portion may be Poste France SE (? South east???), May 31, 1906 i have included a scan of the front upside down. The back scan is mirrored (so as not to be backwards as it is very difficult to see from the front - It is the monogram for Credit Lyonnaise and is Ancoper #249, in use up to 1921- it is rated as 7 E, on a scale of 1 - 9 7 is not common, and E on a scale from A - F with F being rare, this is a very uncommon perfin and a great find in the to be soaked pile!!! It will still get a bath!
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Post by stainlessb on Sept 5, 2021 20:12:58 GMT
From yesterdays soaking batch! France Semeuse camée 15 centimes brown-lilac # 189 Type I Issued January 1926, perfin large C with NR inside Ancoper 318. there is a similar perfin )same company with same # of perfs each letter (320 ) but the N is wider -This belongs to Campagnie Nationale des Radiateurs (national Radiator Company), and was in use from 1926 - 1955. This was apparently general use, as a footnot indicates perfin used for fiscal documents had missing pins, semi-common the back is mirrored so it's easier to see- Imay try some peroxide to see if I can remove the stains.... but maybe not! not quite a moon ring, but almost a sunburst just above the S in POSTES and now back to soaking!
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Post by WERT on Sept 5, 2021 21:25:50 GMT
Nice perfin stainlessb I don't usually touch the patina stains on stamps, like i would not try to remove the patina on antique furniture. Just my opinion though, others would say remove it...It is a personal choice.
Frame line is different as pic below shows....Maybe normal..??
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Post by stainlessb on Sept 5, 2021 21:48:47 GMT
with the stain only on the back it will likely be there for another 95 years!
The issue you point out with the frame seems somewhat common,...if you scroll up, you'll see other variations, some almost becoming an M C Escher composition- I haven't found any mention of this as a variant, but in truth beyond types, shades, sometimes paper, i haven't delved into too many of variants- yet in other issues, the very issue of a missing, or broken, or uneven frame is recognized.
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Post by JeffS on Sept 5, 2021 22:58:54 GMT
stainlessb - that "stain" is oily bleed-through from the cancel ink. Not an uncommon occurrence. Peroxide is likely not a good idea. IMO
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Post by stainlessb on Sept 5, 2021 23:02:27 GMT
JeffS now that I look at it Ibelieve you are correct Wert already talked me out of it
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Post by JeffS on Sept 5, 2021 23:36:19 GMT
With that stamp in hand, I guess stainlessb isn't stainless any more
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Post by stainlessb on Sept 6, 2021 0:52:35 GMT
a common misconception- stainless cans indeed "rust"
and stainlessb is short for stainlessbrown as i once (apparently registered for the forum as the user name was taken* using that, but I think I had a much older e-mail.... so rather than try to work that out, I shortened it (and see how well that fits!!!)
* I have yet to come incontact with another!
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Post by stainlessb on Sept 18, 2021 15:50:34 GMT
a very pale/washed out/faded (?)* Semeuse ligneé #133 30 centimes 'lilac' perfin - Ancoper VA/C 6 Vilmorin Andrieux et Cie (4th largest seed company in the world and still going strong! see here ), #4 quai de la Megisserie, Paris, Seine- this perfin used from 1887 -n 1911, common on letters, The back image is mirrored so the perfin is not backwards * It was attached to a wine colored section of an envelope, cut close, however, all perfs are sound, I cropped it a bit too close on one side! (it's early, I haven't finished my first cup of coffee!)
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Post by stainlessb on Dec 11, 2021 18:54:34 GMT
as I have come across perfins in my sortings' I have placed them in a small glass bowl on my desk, and periodically i will grab a couple and identify. Today i decided to place the contents of the bowl onto a Vario page to "de-clutter" my desk.... I was surprised by the results! this should keep me busy as ome point in the future!
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Post by stainlessb on Mar 25, 2022 21:27:44 GMT
An uncommon perf. Ancoper Sigel 8-1 one of two used by Cie FSA Establishmnets Gaillard, This location in Beziers, Herault Department (similar to US county) a Financial institution which appears to have been involved in the stocks and bond market. Established in 1909 and operated until 1956 (?) The stamp is turned sideways as Anccoper displays it with a horizontal side. The other sigel perf has the same number of pins (19), but the corner points are spaced slightly farther apart. Both are uncommon to rare, and this is the less common one! the stamp is France Semeuse Lignée, 15 centimes, Yvert #130 Type IV (2 dots on cap, shadow under R in REPUBLIQUE, and unbroken back skirt line (so you don't have to look up!)
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Post by stainlessb on Mar 26, 2022 0:45:38 GMT
and another since I'm slowly identifying. National Radiator Company (or it could be Company National Radiator... ) I had little luck find much about this company, but they apparently made steam radiators for heating, and had multiple locations, (Bordeaux, Argenteuil, Gironde, and Seine-et-Oise). Ancoper identifies as one of 5 listed perfs for this company, three (3) of which have the large C with NR inside..;. liooksa in use 1916 - 1955. This one is CNR 318, and fairly common, as is the stamp, Yvert 185 15 c Semeuse camée, Appears to be Type II, but one both the perf and the obliteration only leaves a single slight clue
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Post by stainlessb on Apr 14, 2022 20:21:20 GMT
I may have posted an image of this elsewhere thinking it was just a curio. A bit more reading (translation turn the pages and look at pictures...) and this is a perfin, Ancoper Sigil #1, Berger Levrault, a printer in Nancy, Meurhite-et-Moselle. which just happens to be (or appears to be) where the cancellation on this stamp ocurred- November 10, 1891. This is Yvgert # 87, and it is within the range of both dates noted in Ancoper (1890 - 1930) and also stamps it has been found on (Yvert #75 (earliest) to # 257. Berger Levrault is credited with 3 other equally simple perfins, all a single horizontal row of perfs, 3, 4 and 10 perfs (somewhere I think I may have the 10 horizontal perfs, and I posted somewhere here a while back and it was thought to be the vi ctim of someone with a perforating tool/wheel. I tried to search for the post so I could go see if I could find the stamp, but with over 3000 posts I soon gave up!)
Berger Levrault morphed into a computer system consulting company. They closed in 1995.
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Post by stainlessb on Jun 9, 2022 18:50:16 GMT
I have been pondering how to display these. What background might make them stand out the best- and I have already discovered what works well for scanning an individual stamp may not be as easily detectable when looking at a page.... These all have a bright primary yellow insert behind the stamp (a pain...) and it works better for some, but not so much fopr others... but it's a start here's a close up of top row and lower row- 1st stamp perfin is at Peace & Commerce shoulder height (still ard to see) and in the first 3 each one has missing pins... but I can overlay them atop each other and the "remaining "common " perfs line up. This is going to take a while ... I have saved up a bunch!
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Post by stainlessb on Jun 24, 2022 23:15:07 GMT
a pleasant find in a lot of perfins received today! 1930 Yvert 259 on the left Type I and on the right Type IV next is the reverse to better see the perfins- the Type I has perfin CNC-8 Maison Neyret, Paris * Seine, a manufacturer of textile, clothing, ribbons and labels . founded in 1823 and still in business today! The Type IV has a CL 218 Credit Lyons, an very common perfin used at variuos branches, from 1893 - 1954. Even thopugh it is missing perfins the two cloer perforations in the upright of the "L" is the clue to it being 218, all others are quite uniform i spacing.
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Post by stainlessb on Jun 24, 2022 23:53:13 GMT
Another, this one a bit of a mystery 1929 Yvert 360 Type (broken steeple) It looks like someone wrote c n on the back and I believe it most likely is CN 2. it appears it has been perforated twice with stamps flipped in the press..., Comptor National. D'escompte de Paris (CEP) , a bank in Le Mans and Sarthe. 1848 - 1966 Created by the French Provisional Government after the February Revolution. It collapsed in 1889 and was reformed as the CNEP, nationalized in 1945 and in 1966 it merged with the Banque Nationale de Paris (BNP) If anyone sees something different please comment!
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Post by stainlessb on Jun 25, 2022 20:16:21 GMT
Here is a 1902 "Rights of Man" 10 centime, LEVANT stamp and it does not have a PIASTRE overprint 9I do not know much about these!). This series the frame around the denomination changed from a rectangle to a scrolled shield, with POSTES across the top of the stamp instead on within the earlier frame. Constantinople cancellation on September 21, 1904. Perfin belongs to Credit Lyonnaise (Bank) , Middle East agency, and this is the most elaborate of the many Credit Lyonnaise perfins. Ancoper identifies it as CL-249. Not very common and in use at least as early as 1904*until 1921. *Ancoper has no beginning date for this particular perfin. There is a smaller version with 11 fewer perfs that was in use from 1900 - 1902 (Constantinople)
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Post by renden on Jun 25, 2022 21:02:46 GMT
I am not into FRANCE perfins, Stan stainlessb - if I see some (dups) I will mail them to you as you seem to develop a new interest in this Country that you will have to visit I di the South when visiting stamp friends + Marseille and did Monaco and Nice during a cruise - nice people (I speak a bit their language) but my genealogy comes from Normandy area !! René
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Post by stainlessb on Jun 25, 2022 21:05:54 GMT
Well thanks!!!! If they would let me move there, I might go! Not really much of a traveller. I travelled a lot for my job throughout the US. Nothing like my own bed at night!!!
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Post by stainlessb on Jun 27, 2022 19:55:25 GMT
Here is one of the "more recent" stamps, Airmail Yvert # A-17, 40 Francs, 1946, the second of 4 stamps in this series all depicting and airplane in the sky against a backdrop of a mythological entity. The perfin here in Compagnie Nationale des Radiateurs (National Radiator Company) and this one of 9 perfin designs they used, and this is also one of the later ones. This paricular perfin is one of 3 that used the "C around the N and R (see earlier post with one of the variations) I could find nothing about them online , so the company may no longer be the in business. The earliest use of a perfin attributed to them is 1906. The main address in Paris now appears to be a multi-use location (residence and business) The company had multiple locations, and this particular perfin was mused by locationsiin Bordeaux, Argenteuil, Gironde, and Seine-et-Oishe. I believe them manufactured boilers and steam radiators for heating.
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Post by stainlessb on Jun 27, 2022 22:59:35 GMT
And another, this time with the "Sigle" type perfin (basically a symbol of sorts...) 1934 Cartier 1 Franc 50, type I, Yver # 797 I with the Sigle-4, a triangle with an 'eye' within. This belonged to Forges de la Providence, a Belgium steel foundry started in 1843, which opened another plant in Hautmont, Nord department (France) to make rails for the construction of the French railway system. The Hautmont operation ceased production in 1980. In 1981, the remaining company became a part of Cokerill-Sambre (another Belgium steel company). This is listed in Ancoper as being relatively rare (2 B)
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Post by stainlessb on Jun 30, 2022 20:23:07 GMT
Amoung the more interesting perfins today, Vilmorin Andreiux and Company (et Cie), Ancoper VA/C 6, one of two perfins for this company which is a seed purveyor/producerr with a very long history. The company was founded by Claude Gefrey, a seed expert, and her husband Pierre Andrieux, the chief seed supplier and botanist to louis XV in 1743! The Vilmorin name came from a marriage of their daughter to botanist Phillipe-Victoire LeVeque de Vilmorin, whose son Philipe André de Vilmorin carried on the business. The company was controlled by the the family until 1972 when it was acquired by a farmer in the Anjou region and ultimately became Vilmorin owned by Group Limagrain and is today a publicly traded company. Originally located in Paris, they are credited with introducing the American Tulip tree, beets and rutabegas to Europe. The stamp couldd be in better shape, (torn corner), but is a Yvert 116a Type II Rights of Man 10 centimes, dark red, postmarked Paris Mar 9, 1901, This is the less common of the two VA/C perfins See Sept 18, 2021 post (above) for another example the back is mirrored to show the perfin in the correct orientation.
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Post by stainlessb on Jun 30, 2022 21:07:53 GMT
something different- this is called a "monogramme" perfin. There are not a lot of this and this is one of the more ambitious. At first glance it mnakes no sense what-so-ever! Ancoper JZC 94, J> Zuber et Cie, Rhixem France with offices worldwide. A manufacturer of wallpaper, originally founded in 1790 as Nicholus Dolfus et Cie in Mulhouse, Alsace. It's name changed in 1895 to Hartman, Risler & Cie. In 1797 the company mover to Rixheim and in 1802 the company was bought by Jen Zuber (hence the name change). King Louis Phillipe honored Zuber in 1834 with the Legion of Honor. The award being made at yje 1834 French Industrial Exposition. Zuber & Cie used woodbl;ocks for it's productions. The wall papers, wall hangings and other architectural details are even in the US White House (during JFK's presidency) In 2019 and 2020 the company was accused of using rasist caricatures in some of their "panoramic scenes" (the wall paper had been in the campus of Brown University, Bightengale-Brown House since the 1q930's The stamp is a 1 Franc 50 Pasteur definitive Yvert 181 The perfin looks like it may be missing some perforations, but this matches the image in Ancoper, This perfin is not rare, but not common either
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Post by stainlessb on Jun 30, 2022 21:50:45 GMT
the "mini" "C" of Credit Lyonaisse, one of 3 such perfins which predate 'most" of the later "C L" perfins. This is Ancoper C3 1907 - 1954, Paris and Seine and is very common (1A) although this is , thus far the only one I'm finding, many more of the "C L" versions. This on a horizontal pair of Marianne du Gandon 2 F Yvert # 713. Some minor variations in the wisps of hair, and most notably the shadow edge above the right eye (on your left!), but otherwise nothing exceptonal and thus ends another day of hunting down perfins!
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Post by stainlessb on Jul 1, 2022 20:09:06 GMT
Yvert 177 Pasteur 75 centimes , issued 1924 - 1926. The perfin will be a familalir nmame to many Eastmann Kodak, Paris & Seine, Ancoper E.K. 94 relatively common
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Post by stainlessb on Dec 7, 2022 21:13:58 GMT
Haven't added anything to this thread in a bit. Yvert115d (?)Lilac 30 centimes. Of the first series of stamps (2nd series the denomination box was redesigned and POSTES moved to it's own frame at the very tops of the stamps), the 30 centimes was the 2nd lowest print run (only 11, 000,000 sheets of 150!) printed beteen Dec 1900 - April 1902, it is still not that common (only the 20 centimes [#113] seems more scarce). The perfin is Ancoper #HPM 65, known usage between 1897 - 1955, and is a common perfin. It belonged to the Compagne de Navigation (Navigation Company), and based on the various office locations was most likely Compagne de Navigation Mixte, a mixed consortium which wa sin operation until the early 1980's. As is typical in most of the catalogues, often no examples are shown - 115d, described as Chiffres trés displacés - denomination displaced (not centered) in frame. it carries a much higher CV, and if I understand correctly (and using the image in Maury and Y&T ... which appear to use the same image) and one mint offering on E-Bay for a premium price, all of the 30 centimes examples I have crowd/touch the frame or bottom of POSTES. Compare the close-up to the two below and you can see that the digits where apparently getting this centered was not easy! (the bottom image is also a perfin for Credit Lyons (very very common). Based on a measurement of the numerals, this was a tight fit side-to-side.
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