guilloutran
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Post by guilloutran on Jan 27, 2021 10:57:29 GMT
Hi everyone,
Just a wondering, does stamps works like banknote? In US, I read some where stated that money is legal tender thus is valid despite the age/time . Does stamps works the same? I saw sometimes old stamps still could be used to send letters/mail and just wondering how long a stamps valid?
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angore
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Post by angore on Jan 27, 2021 11:58:37 GMT
If I recall, sometime around the Civil War all prior issued US stamps had been demonetized. All subsequent stamps should be still valid for postal use but some have restrictions such as bulk mail.
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guilloutran
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Post by guilloutran on Jan 27, 2021 14:23:56 GMT
What’s bulk mail really? I saw that people used discounts stamps for their packages. How does that work?
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vikingeck
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Post by vikingeck on Jan 27, 2021 16:04:55 GMT
Just a wondering, does stamps works like banknote? In US, I read some where stated that money is legal tender thus is valid despite the age/time . Does stamps works the same? I saw sometimes old stamps still could be used to send letters/mail and just wondering how long a stamps valid? Generally speaking a stamp is valid until the postal authority declares it invalidated! ...It varies from country to country. In the UK we can use any GB stamps from 1972 to date, i.e. in decimal currency. US stamps much older are still valid, all those 3c stamps from the 1930s can still be used. Probably many older, but there will be many oldies where the catalogue value is greater than the postage value so only an idiot would use classic stamps in the mail. I imagine "BULK MAIL" is where a charity or similar sends out a blitz of hundreds or thousands of mail shot envelopes and has a licence from USPS to use Bulk MAIL rate stamps, much cheaper than regular postage. Nothing to do with BULKY PACKAGES ! I see that you are now living in France. France issues stamps in EURO, but stamps marked in FRANCS are still valid for postage. There is an official exchange rate. I have even see people get away with using old Francs which were devalued to 1/100th in the 1960s, but that is not correct legal usage.
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Post by dgdecker on Jan 27, 2021 17:20:59 GMT
In Canada stamps remain valid for use no matter when issued. There have been certain issues that were no longer valid after a certain date. These were mostly Christmas stamps that were sold at a lower rate. Most were good to use for only several months. Every country determines the length of validity for its stamps.
David
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Post by khj on Jan 27, 2021 19:00:04 GMT
As vikingeck noted, bulk mail in the US refers to the total mail volume for a particular mailing, rather than the physical size of each piece of mail. It is available to for-profit organizations as well. The non-profit organizations get an even greater discount. There is a fee, and the permit is only valid for use at the specific post office the permit is filed when doing actual bulk mailing (for accounting purposes). A lot of other requirements as well, but won't get into that. In the US, collectors can also obtain a no-cost permit, which allows them to use bulk mail and pre-canceled stamps on first class mail. In practice, many collectors don't bother dropping off the mail at the post office where the permit is on file. As long as you have at least one tagged stamp, and mark the mail properly as "FIRST CLASS", it will go through. It's been my experience that dropping of the mail at the PO counter tends to bring more grief than it's worth -- especially when there are new counter clerks or a new station manager! So I admit, I'm one of those who simply tosses it in the mail to save myself the 30 minutes of explaining/showing the rules to the postal clerks/manager! The "collector" permit, you only have to get once, and you are not assigned a number, unlike the fee-based annual permits that "real" bulk-mailers must have to get the discount. Regarding using old unused postage. I was spoiled by the lack of US rules regarding demonetization (other than the Civil War demonetization and a few minor category demonetization rules). One trip to Asia 30 years ago, I was shocked to find out that issues even a few years old were no longer valid. I was told the post office would post notices that regularly demonetized certain stamps (mainly commemoratives) after only a few years! Don't know if that's still the case.
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Post by brightonpete on Jan 27, 2021 21:01:40 GMT
In Canada, you can use just about anything since the change to dollars and cents, which was in 1859. The oldest I'll use on today's mail is the King George VI definitives from 1949. The are just cheap stamps, but they add character to the mailings!
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guilloutran
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Post by guilloutran on Jan 28, 2021 11:33:31 GMT
Interesting. I wondering how do the poste keep track of real issued stamps and make up one. The US issued a lot of stamps per year no?
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angore
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Post by angore on Jan 28, 2021 11:51:41 GMT
Bulk mail is reduced price mail (below the first class rate now at 55 cents) sent by businesses and organizations. Bulk mail has to meet requirements on sorting and volume to use the rate. Most mass mailings are sent by bulk mail rate. The current bulk mail rate is 19 cents.
Collectors can use bulk mail stamps on mail in part to get to a normal rate. The mailer has to fill out a permit to use bulk mail stamps on normal mail and mail has to be presented in person. Bulk rate stamps are usually sold in coil rolls of 3000 or 10000 but collectors can buy strips from USPS.
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guilloutran
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Post by guilloutran on Feb 5, 2021 11:31:02 GMT
Well, thank you for your very contructed response! I was just wondering I wonder why on eBay, older stamps are being sold much cheaper than their face value?
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vikingeck
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Post by vikingeck on Feb 5, 2021 14:49:27 GMT
Two reasons for this ....
Old collections put on the market when a collector has died or given up collecting . The inheritors just want whatever cash they can get so sell cheap.
Or two a collector or a dealer has acquired these and there is much more than he can easily use for postage so he clears stock ( probably bought from above seller below face value)
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