ameis33
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Post by ameis33 on Mar 14, 2021 18:11:05 GMT
Misaligned and with the right top corner damaged, how do you judge this stamp (compared to its catalog value)? Does it worth 50 euro?

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Post by vikingeck on Mar 14, 2021 18:27:40 GMT
How were these used as a double? I assumed that half went with the parcel advice note, and the other part was a receipt .. so used would be two singles.
Am I completely wrong.? How does it work in a Italy ?
My knowledge of parcel delivery is limited to Uk where parcels are delivered to the door , and to Scandinavia where only an advice card is delivered to the door and the customer takes the card to the post office and collects his parcel,
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Post by ameis33 on Mar 14, 2021 18:43:06 GMT
Most probably, that's a cancel to order... Anyway, the "regular" use of postal parcel stamps is divided in two parts, the left side on the shipment note ("Sul Bollettino") and the right side on the receipt ("Sulla Ricevuta") There are postage uses as double as emergency franking (like a regular stamp) or on the shipment labels for postal parcel from abroad (i should have some on them), maybe other which i forget at the moment (i'm mostly a stamp collector, i don't have a deep knowledge of postal history)...
Unlike "Pacchi in concessione" (? I don't the english word, parcels delivered by private autorized services) which has no use as double and all used doubles are cancelled to order...
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Post by ameis33 on Oct 16, 2021 13:48:49 GMT
Parcel post were made by two section because they have been tought to be applied on parcel bulettins. One side on the stamp would have remained on the receipt given back to the sender, the other side applied on the bulettin which would have followed the shipment. But there are regular uses of the whole stamps not divided. One of those is on shipment bulettins coming from abroad, marking custom and postal fees to be paid by the receier. I have few examples of such use, maybe the quality is not so high, but still interesting. Just the first make me think because youcan see a 65L but there are stamps applied for a lot more... My tought is the 200L stamp has been applied in place of a 5L one, but the postmarks seems good... A friend of mine told me the fee calculation in this case can be complicated and there could be other fees applied to the 65L postage... I just keep it like it is... PS! Not sure i've already shown them      
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Post by ameis33 on Oct 16, 2021 13:50:36 GMT
BTW! How do you judge the broken tooth at the right corner of the 300L?
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Post by JeffS on Oct 16, 2021 17:42:17 GMT
@ ameis33 - The postmark on the pair of 200L values is perfectly good. Nothing suspicious. I've no idea how these are rated. I love non-standard items such as this (these)
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Post by ameis33 on Dec 12, 2021 21:53:57 GMT
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Post by ameis33 on Dec 13, 2021 18:28:41 GMT
The first stamps have been issued with the classic italian winged wheel watermark. Later on, close to the end of the '50s, this watermark has been replaced by the star carpet watermark. And the same stamps for private parcel delivery have been reissued using this new kind of paper and with new denomination. I believe you will understand the key-values of this new set are the 75L/110L (pink) 
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Post by ameis33 on Dec 13, 2021 18:34:29 GMT
But the usage is exactly the same. Unlike ordinary parcel stamps, where a half (left side) would have been applied on the bulletin and the other half (right side) on the receipt, private parcels where intended just to cover the service fee to the State, so even if normally the left side should have been used, both parts were... The stamps were cancelled with any kind of marks, either round marks or rubber stamps with just the date, like in this example...
 
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Post by ameis33 on Dec 13, 2021 18:50:46 GMT
These stamps are usually collected new or used not separated. For some reason, in Italy half sections are considered sons of a lesser god  
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Post by ameis33 on Dec 13, 2021 19:04:29 GMT
One of the most expansive stamp of the italian republic period, the so called "Cavallino", is a parcel stamp... I don't have this stamp (the market price is around 1000 euro), but i have a good set of half "cavallini"...  
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Post by renden on Dec 13, 2021 19:16:23 GMT
Have many "sons of God"  (parcel post stamps) but no parcel post authorized delivery stamps (private) - Thanks for showing !! René 
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Post by ameis33 on Dec 13, 2021 19:56:55 GMT
René, yet to show another small stuff (but not today)...
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Post by ameis33 on Dec 18, 2021 15:03:40 GMT
In 1968, the Italian postal administration issued a stamp for the authorized private parcel delivery, with face value of 150L in red color. In the following years, a small quantity of this stamp seemed to have been printed on a "defective" paper coil, which kept a small fluorescence which the regular stamps should not have. A well known roman stamp dealer, having known about this stamp, could get a big provision of it and the history of what it should have been one of the most scarse stamps of the Republic began. A stamp magazine publicized the newborn jewel, and a wellknow roman stamp expert started producing certificates. This operation raised the value of the stamp from a face value of 150L to a market value of 100.000-150.000 lire. Don't get stuck about the huge values. What is actually 1 euro was used to be around 2.000 lire. But still those were a lot of money... But when the remaining hundreds of sheets arrived on the market, the bubble deflated, and this stamp, the so called "Fosforino" can now be found for much less... Although fluorescence was introduced in Italy towards the end of the '60s, in this case it's not a matter of fluorescent inks or papers, but more likely, given the modest response, of coils of paper treated with an excess of whitening substances whose luminophoric components have deposited or been retained by the paper. An example of a 150L non fluorescent and the "fosforino", with his certificate, issued by a famous italian expert, like all the other certificates issued for the same stamp.    
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Post by ameis33 on Dec 18, 2021 15:38:24 GMT
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Post by biglavalamp on Dec 19, 2021 13:17:56 GMT
ameis33 thank you for the above links on Italian philately..I am in the near future hoping to move my budding Italian stamps & colonies collection from stock books into albums,and these links nicely break down the different eras into manageable sections for me.
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Post by ameis33 on Dec 25, 2021 19:48:47 GMT
In 1997 the italian post introduced a new service for parcel shipments, for testing purposes, called Postacelere Corriere Nazionale EMS (Express Mail Service). Without going into the details of the service, special stamps were introduced, to be true, labels more than stamps, divided in two sides, similar to the old parcel stamps, one to be applied on the package and the other on the receipt. These stamps paid the shipment of packages up to 1KG, 10KG and 20KG, with a save compared to the previous rates. The stamps were initially valid until end of 1997, validity extended twice first until June 98 and then until the end of 99, by applying and handstamps with the "Proroga ..." inscription. Most probably many of you will not like them, but they are to be considered as normal postage stamps, and find a place on official catalogs. Really used on the parcel bulletin are quite rare. If someone of you should find one of them on his way, think to who collect them.   
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Post by paul1 on Jun 6, 2022 21:25:42 GMT
looking for the unusual as always, thought I'd found something that was less well known, but obviously it is - anyway, decided to post just, I think, because I didn't see the 100 Lire blue (SG P77), so far. 
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Post by ameis33 on Jun 7, 2022 19:38:45 GMT
Hello Paul If you want to have a complete reference about all postal parcel stamps issued by the italian posts, you can follow this link www.ibolli.it/cat/italia/serpacchi/serpacchi.phpThe stamps that you show are all postage parcel stamps issued in the Italy Republic period (after WWII, from 1946). You should divide them depending by the watermark, (winged) wheel or stars (it should not be difficult to recognize just by their name). The latest stamps i have shown are still parcel, but delivered by authorized company rather then by the posts itself. The 100L with wheel watermark is interesting because in the period of issue 100L was a high value and this stamp was not so commonly used, unlike 5L-50L. Turn the stamp and let me see the watermark.. I've posted above some bulletin, you can see by yourself the most common stamps. You will also see a 200L... I'm not sure if the stamp on that bulletin is original or applied later on changing a 5L, which should the one needed to get the 65L that you can see on the receipt...
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Post by paul1 on Jun 7, 2022 21:12:42 GMT
Hello ameis33 - a very big thanks for adding the link for the parcel stamps - will read and digest soon - perhaps the word 'conjoined' might be suitable:-) As for the watermark for the 100L, I'll examine and come back to you with details. thanks again.
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Post by paul1 on Jun 8, 2022 14:24:01 GMT
Watermarks not always the easiest things to see but have now done the lighter fuel bit so the attached pix are my efforts on this postage parcel stamp, and the wmk. does look to be the 'Winged Wheel, albeit only a part of the mark is showing - anyway see what people think. Also picture attached showing the full wmk. - courtesy of SG 'Europe and Colonies - Part 2' catalogue. I could be wrong, but it appears that all the other parcel labels have a crown wmk.  
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