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Post by darkormex on Apr 8, 2021 0:14:47 GMT
I am looking for recommendations for a stamp catalogue that goes more in-depth regarding the stamps of Nigeria. There is Scott, of course, but I thought that Nigeria being a commonwealth country would be presented better by a catalogue published by Stanley Gibbons. I noticed on eBay that there is a West Africa catalogue published by Gibbons but it doesn't seem to be available new on their site. Does anyone have any insight into why this is the case? There also don't seem to be a lot of used ones out there for sale.
Failing that, are there other catalogues of Africa, West Africa or Nigeria specifically that our members are aware of that might go into more detail about the stamps of Nigeria? As far as I know Nigeria does not publish their own domestic stamp catalogue but I may be wrong about this having not done a whole lot of searching for one.
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Post by Ryan on Apr 8, 2021 5:56:17 GMT
The SG West Africa catalogue you've mentioned is a subset / combination of other SG catalogues. The Commonwealth & Empire Stamps catalogue is sort of equivalent to the Scott Classic Specialized catalogue - more shades, more unusual errors, some plate varieties, sideways watermarks from booklets, etc. This C&ES catalogue only lists stamps up to 1970, however (that's the changeover date in the UK to decimal currency). Stamp listings and pricings for these earlier stamps in the SG West Africa catalogue are taken from the C&ES catalogue. The later stamps then have a listing which is more like the SG Stamps of the World catalogue, which is comparable to the Scott's Standard worldwide catalogue. The detail drops off quite a bit for these later listings, and I don't think you'll find much post-1970 that you wouldn't find in Scott.
So, in that regard, I'd recommend a copy of the C&ES - of course, it contains all Commonwealth countries, not just the handful present in the West Africa catalogue (apart from Nigeria, the only other main countries in that catalogue are Ghana, Gambia & Sierra Leone, along with a handful of smaller Commonwealth scraps).
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Post by darkormex on Apr 8, 2021 11:53:33 GMT
Ryan, thank you for the information. I will re-look at their website. I noticed Michel also has a West Africa catalogue. Knowing how detailed that catalogue can be I will probably check it out as well. I wish there was a domestic catalogue of Nigeria as I feel like Nigerian philatelists would have a better knowledge of their stamps.
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Post by Philatarium on Apr 8, 2021 16:34:43 GMT
Thanks, Ryan , for explaining the scope of the SG Commonwealth & British Empire catalog. I had a chance to pick up a copy of the 2016 edition a couple of years ago (because I never turn down picking up a catalog I don't have at a good price!), but had not spent much time understand its strengths.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Apr 8, 2021 16:47:13 GMT
Darrin ( darkormex ), are you looking for a hard-copy catalogue or an electronic version? Depending on your answer, I may be able to help. Please PM me if interested.
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Post by Ryan on Apr 8, 2021 21:57:49 GMT
I noticed Michel also has a West Africa catalogue. Knowing how detailed that catalogue can be I will probably check it out as well. If you are familiar with Michel catalogues for European countries, then their catalogues for the rest of the world might not impress you as much. Michel catalogues for Europe have extra information not found in Scott, like first day cover prices, more detailed listings, better issue date info, etc., and their specialized country catalogues also often include things like engraver & designer info, stamp sheet layout (number of rows by number of columns), firm used to print the stamps, etc. But their African catalogues aren't all that much different from Scott's catalogues. Leastwise, that was the case for my copies, which are getting a bit old now - they're the first editions they printed after the changeover to Euro pricing, 2001/02. Unless you're a fan of owing catalogues (yay!) then probably there isn't much there for you to justify the costs of their African catalogues. Ryan
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Post by darkormex on Apr 8, 2021 22:33:24 GMT
I am a huge fan of catalogs Ryan but only if they show the details I need. I will skip the Michel option in that case.
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Post by darkormex on Apr 8, 2021 22:35:36 GMT
Beryllium Guy, I generally prefer hard copies of catalogues...as you can imagine, I also rarely read a book on a kindle too, so that is your answer. Give me paper or give me death.
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Post by darkormex on Apr 9, 2021 1:13:41 GMT
Beryllium Guy but beggars can't be choosers so I am good with an electronic copy too. I sounded like a bit of a downer in my post when I should have been thankful for the offer. I will message you shortly.
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Post by cjd on Apr 9, 2021 3:27:03 GMT
What era are you interested in?
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Post by darkormex on Apr 9, 2021 12:04:33 GMT
cjd , I am looking for a catalogue that covers the modern era of Nigeria in a more detailed way. Basically after independence.
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Post by cjd on Apr 10, 2021 0:44:26 GMT
Okay, I have no idea. There is a ton of colonial material, but I can't say anything about the post-independence era. The only thing I can think of is searching for exhibits that have been uploaded. Maybe you'll end up writing it.
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Post by darkormex on Apr 10, 2021 1:05:12 GMT
I realize there isn't a lot of information around, it is just always my assumption that other catalogues, not Scott, do a better job of presenting the details or give more information about varieties, etc...Gibbons seemed a likely starting point given that Nigeria is a commonwealth member. The Digital Philatelist introduced me to Brixton Chrome which has several good articles about modern Nigerian stamps and it is likely this is about the best I am going to get. All the same I wanted to see what is out there catalogue-wise. You are probably correct, I will just have to do my own research.
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Post by cjd on Apr 10, 2021 1:33:12 GMT
Totally understand your thoughts about looking beyond Scott. Any information/thoughts I have about Gibbons and Michel in this geographical area are based on information at least ten years old. I don't think they were a big improvement over Scott. Now? Can't say, but I'd be surprised if they've upped their game significantly. I wonder if Lagos has a stamp shop? If so, you might find a resource there. (I checked G@@gle but it seems that the scrapbooking and rubber-stamping community has pre-empted the listing field there, too.)
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Post by darkormex on Apr 10, 2021 2:00:02 GMT
Lagos has a stamp club, actually, and I have thought seriously about reaching out to them if for no other reason than to start swapping stamps. They have a Facebook page which I follow: Lagos Stamp Club
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Post by cjd on Apr 10, 2021 2:03:22 GMT
Join, man, join! There's your goldmine, right there.
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Post by hrdoktorx on Apr 10, 2021 9:28:49 GMT
I use the Yvert & Tellier "Timbres d'Afrique Volume 2" for Nigeria. It covers countries that were not previous French colonies (from the Guineas to Z). In French, of course, and it doesn't go too deep into the details, as it is a generalist catalog, but it does the job well enough for me.
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Post by djcmh on Apr 10, 2021 11:31:35 GMT
Best for post-1960 Nigeria is Gibbons West Africa. What I believe is the current edition (2nd) dates from 2012. I think I read on another forum that the next edition was planned for release in 2021 but that has been put on hold as Gibbons is doing a "refocusing" of its catalogue production system, so likely now not til 2022.
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Post by angore on Apr 10, 2021 11:55:56 GMT
I was in a video chat with the guy from Brixton Chrome. He was a down to earth guy and he discussed why he chose Nigeria as a country to collect. He said in part it was because much of the older material was still very affordable as Nigeria is not as popular as many other areas.
In the chat he had a beard and had a George Lucas like appearance in contrast to his image on his website.
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Post by darkormex on Apr 10, 2021 14:22:04 GMT
Best for post-1960 Nigeria is Gibbons West Africa. What I believe is the current edition (2nd) dates from 2012. I think I read on another forum that the next edition was planned for release in 2021 but that has been put on hold as Gibbons is doing a "refocusing" of its catalogue production system, so likely now not til 2022. This is what I thought would be the case. I saw a used copy on eBay for sale but it seemed prohibitively expensive based on the fact that it was shipping from outside of the US. It was the only used copy I saw for sale on eBay. I guess I will wait until the new one comes out and maybe by 2022 it will be within my budget to purchase.
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Post by darkormex on Apr 10, 2021 14:28:27 GMT
angore, that is what I gather from his website too. There are three countries in Africa that I like to collect, Botswana, Nigeria and South Africa. Botswana and Nigeria have conservative stamp issuing policies and the stamps they issue are relevant to the country. In the case of Nigeria, I like the fact that there are the definitive sets with multiple printings and varieties to explore. I also like the fact that many issues don't appear slickly printed and there are printing mis-fires, perforation freaks and all sorts of other odds and ends out there like modern postal forgeries that I can explore also. I like the pre-independence British colonial stuff too but the post-independence issues are actually more interesting to me.
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Post by chrischross on May 19, 2021 17:50:08 GMT
darkormex - I have the Michel that covers Nigeria, and like others have said, it's okay. While I collect exclusively French West Africa right now, that 1973 set you posted on sure has me taking a hard look at Nigeria. Historically as well, it makes sense for me to add Nigeria as the connections to Cameroon are extensive. AEF/Cameroon was on the Free French / DeGaulle side during WW II, while the other French colonies stayed with the Vichy government. This resulted in AEF/Cameroon establishing broad commercial relations with Nigeria and the other British colonies during the era. As I think both you and I are discovering, the value of catalogues in this area is somewhat limited. The knowledge is specialized and outside of the domain of Michel or Scott. There's no equivalent of a Dallay for post-independent French Africa for example.
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Post by darkormex on May 20, 2021 1:54:39 GMT
Chris ( chrischross), yes I agree. Michel is better than Scott, but only marginally, and it did help me solve a puzzle that Scott does not explain very well. That said, to solve this lack of information problem I joined a Facebook group called Nigerian Philately and then asked the admin if he was able to hook me up with someone in Nigeria that was interested in trading modern Nigerian stamps for US stamps. He encouraged me to join the Calabar Stamp Club in Calabar, Nigeria, a club that communicates virtually via WhatsApp but is also again meeting in-person. I introduced myself and am now trading stamps with a gentleman named Papa Supo who is a self-described octogenarian who is about to do a solo exhibit to raise money for his own gallery. Papa Supo and I are trading emails but also connecting via WhatsApp. I doubt that I will get to Nigeria anytime soon but the world has become so interconnected I realize I don't have to. Also the members post semi-regularly about Nigerian stamps and I have already learned things not noted in the US and European catalogs. I am looking forward to receiving my first envelope of stamps from Nigeria and hope to continue trading for a while. I am wondering if there are similar clubs in Cameroon that may have an internet presence that you can find.
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Post by chrischross on May 20, 2021 19:03:05 GMT
That's really awesome darkormex that you've been able to establish connections with fellow collectors in Nigeria. While there's probably collectors in Cameroon, that would require me to actually be fluent in French . So Nigeria as an access point for us North American collectors interested in West Africa makes a whole lot of sense, it is after all the largest country in the region population wise.
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Post by darkormex on May 20, 2021 23:49:19 GMT
According to Wikipedia, Cameroon is noted as having both French and English as it's official languages so maybe it wouldn't be too much of a stretch that there are clubs with English speakers in Cameroon.
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Post by Ryan on May 21, 2021 4:14:25 GMT
maybe it wouldn't be too much of a stretch that there are clubs with English speakers in Cameroon English-language rights in Cameroon are a huge problem right now. I realize that the Washington Post is only available for free for something like a single article a month - if you haven't read your quota yet, have a look at this article from 2019. A quote from the introduction: "Around 80 percent of the country speaks French; the rest speaks English. For decades, Francophones and Anglophones lived in relative harmony. But over the past two years, violence spurred by this linguistic split has brought Cameroon to the brink of civil war." No paywall on the BBC site, but this article is a bit older, from 2018. Ryan
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Post by chrischross on May 21, 2021 6:26:14 GMT
I didn't meant to stir a political hornets nest here, as I do know the history and language splits in Cameroun/Cameroon fairly well. Judging by a recent documentary I caught on France24 recently, I doubt if stamp collecting is all that high on the priority list right now in Ambazonia, could be wrong. These conflicts are more longstanding than just the past few years, they go way back.
I'm starting to understand what Jay Carrigan meant by "collector of chaos".
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