Philatarium
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Post by Philatarium on May 20, 2021 22:05:17 GMT
Just a quick question: I'm assuming this is a computer-vended postage label issued at the post office. I know in some countries this would be called a "Frama", but it's my understanding that term varies according to the country. For the US, Scott would call this a "computer vended postage stamp". What would this be called in France? Thanks in advance!  |
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Beryllium Guy
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Post by Beryllium Guy on May 20, 2021 22:47:29 GMT
Xavier ( hrdoktorx) will know the answer to this! I should, but I don’t.... |
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JeffS
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Post by JeffS on May 21, 2021 2:35:42 GMT
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Ryan
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Post by Ryan on May 21, 2021 3:53:53 GMT
I'm assuming this is a computer-vended postage label issued at the post office. I know in some countries this would be called a "Frama", but it's my understanding that term varies according to the country. For the US, Scott would call this a "computer vended postage stamp". What would this be called in France? The French-language Wikipedia page for this kind of stamp is entitled "Timbre de distributeur". So, that's one possibility. Note that their English-language page for this kind of stamp is entitled "Variable value stamp". Within the German-language Michel catalogue for ATM stamps, I see the acronyms "LISA" and "LSA" used in a few places in the section describing the various machine manufacturers for these kinds of things. That French-language Wikipedia page mentions this as being one of the terms in use in France (along with "ATM" and "Frama"), coming from the term used by the French postal service La Poste - "Libre-service d'affranchissement". Frama is actually the name of the Swiss company which made one of the earliest ATM machines in use worldwide, and I suppose the term has become sort of the equivalent to "Jell-O" where it gets understood when it's used for everything of its type, regardless of whether it actually matches the brand or not. When searching on Google, I get hits for any of these search terms - "France timbres LISA", "France timbres ATM", "France timbres Frama", and their equivalents when replacing "timbres" with "vignettes", which would be similar to searching in English for "stamps" and "labels". By far the highest count of matches is obtained when I search for "France vignettes LISA". Ryan |
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Ryan
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Post by Ryan on May 21, 2021 4:02:11 GMT
PS on the above - I should note that your label is one that is considered to be a correct ATM in that it's missing a date on it. I certainly see far more of these French labels with their dates, which are the equivalent of our postal meters. Those which are missing a date can be used just like a stamp, and that is what is needed for inclusion in the Michel ATM catalogue. They don't list the French labels which include a date on them like this one here. (Image nabbed from the France section of the International Postage Meter Stamp Catalog.)  Ryan |
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hrdoktorx
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Post by hrdoktorx on May 21, 2021 15:24:27 GMT
I have discussed the French ATM stamps here. They are called "Etiquette d'affranchissement LISA" by la Poste in France and very common nowadays. |
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Philatarium
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Post by Philatarium on May 23, 2021 1:55:59 GMT
I wanted to thank everyone who contributed to this post! It is much appreciated, and I learned a lot!
Mille mercis!
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