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Post by hrdoktorx on Oct 27, 2018 16:01:32 GMT
On the flip side of the Liberation issues, there are also a few stamps that were made for use by French volunteers fighting on the Eastern Front with the Germans against the Soviet Union and the "Bolchevik enemy". The F before the surcharge price stands for "Franchise", as these were considered military post stamps.
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Post by anglobob on Feb 17, 2020 22:50:43 GMT
I have just found this thread.I have always liked these ,especially the airmails. The block below was printed in 1941,with a total of 30,000 sold according to Maury. They are listed in Yvert but are they listed in Gibbons ?
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Post by stainlessb on May 2, 2020 0:29:40 GMT
[Moderator Note: This thread was created by combining posts from two different threads.] not sure where to post.... WWI or WWII actual stamp or cinderella's? Thanks for any light anyone can shed on these. they were on a page of "occupation" stamps in a accumulation/collection lot I recently acquired.
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Post by marking on May 2, 2020 0:45:06 GMT
Thanks for any light anyone can shed on these. they were on a page of "occupation" stamps in a accumulation/collection lot I recently acquired. 1942 Cinderellas to raise funds for the Legion of French Volunteers Against Bolshevism (LVF) 1941-44 These were the more radical of the French Vichy Govt. who offered the Germans their services to go to the Russian Front (bad decision) They also served with the SS and in North Africa Originally they had labels attached to them
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renden
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Post by renden on Jul 14, 2021 17:52:49 GMT
These appear to be "labels" produced by Germany...... "French Legion des Volontaires Francais contre la Russie" - set of 5....1 million were apparently produced to fund the Eastern front fight with volunteers from France. The original full set of 5 does present with a se-tenant label each showing on the side the Legion's insignia (which I do not have) Any ideas ?? Thanks ! René
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Post by REL1948 on Jul 14, 2021 18:07:11 GMT
Hello René, I had that set and 2 other similar stamps from an issue labeled "FrankReich" implying occupied France. If I remember correctly (?) they weren't valid for postal use. The set I had were from 1942 but looked just like yours.
Rob
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renden
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Post by renden on Jul 14, 2021 18:13:52 GMT
Thanks ROB for the reply - I am looking for a definite Cinderella on those labels - Interesting what you brought up Once I am 100% certain they are Cinderellas I will offer them on this Forum like a giveaway
René
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Post by tomiseksj on Jul 14, 2021 18:22:49 GMT
renden , they now reside on the Cinderella board in a thread titled "Legion of French Volunteers Against Bolshevism" Here us an informative article on this group.
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Post by renden on Jul 14, 2021 19:29:29 GMT
Thanks tomiseksj - was just having a discussion with Stan, stainlessb, in Sacramento - happy to be at the proper place (thread) and as mentioned, since I am worth "0" in Cinderellas - my 5 labels are offered to the first collector that sends me a PM - he has to be active and with full membership and able to prove he is a Cinderella collector (free and shipping incl.) René
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Post by renden on Jul 14, 2021 23:25:38 GMT
Thanks tomiseksj - was just having a discussion with Stan, stainlessb , in Sacramento - happy to be at the proper place (thread) and as mentioned, since I am worth "0" in Cinderellas - my 5 labels are offered to the first collector that sends me a PM - he has to be active and with full membership and able to prove he is a Cinderella collector (free and shipping incl.) René This offering does not seem to be interesting - yeh I know nothing about Cinderellas and was not born in 1941 so in 24 hours, offer is deleted or will be - Thanks for looking TSF is great René
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Post by salentin on Jul 15, 2021 11:27:58 GMT
They are listed in Michel-Germany-cat. in the section "Private Ausgaben 1939/45" (private issues 1939/45), following the section "Deutsche Besatzungsausgaben 1939/45" (german occupational issues 1939/45). They were issued April 20th (Hitler´s birthday),1942. They had no franking-value,but could be placed on field-post sendings,as a kind of charity-labels. As such they were obliterated by field-post cancels. They also could be placed in France on private or propaganda-letters.With local post-cancels these are rare. Forged cancellations exist.
Cat value was € 10.- for mint,never hinged in 2005.That will not have changed a lot since then,I suppose.
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Post by renden on Jul 16, 2021 12:42:06 GMT
My 5 labels were sent to an interested member, Michael Londonbus1 - happy for him René
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Post by JeffS on Jul 16, 2021 14:46:31 GMT
renden The article Steve linked states that they had no postal value, thus to me they are Cinderellas.
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Post by renden on Jul 16, 2021 16:07:51 GMT
renden The article Steve linked states that they had no postal value, thus to me they are Cinderellas. That is what I concluded all along since the beginning as well as the links I consulted - Cheers ! René
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Post by Londonbus1 on Jul 25, 2021 4:17:03 GMT
Two threads have been combined under the more comprehensive title. Both had similar images of the items in question.
Happy Collecting.
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Post by chrischross on Jul 25, 2021 20:31:11 GMT
renden The article Steve linked states that they had no postal value, thus to me they are Cinderellas. Except they're listed in Maury, and there's even an image of a cover with the five stamps with Feldpost markings (as Salentin has discussed). So I'm not really sure why this thread is classified under Cinderellas. The issuance was for 450,000 btw according to the 2019 Maury. Now, if the delineation that they had no postal usage in Metropolitan France renders them a Cinderella? Not in my opinion. You can usually find these classified under the "Lvf" on French stamp auction sites, stamp dealer net price sales, etc.
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Post by daniel on Jul 26, 2021 3:49:20 GMT
renden The article Steve linked states that they had no postal value, thus to me they are Cinderellas. Except they're listed in Maury, and there's even an image of a cover with the five stamps with Feldpost markings (as Salentin has discussed). So I'm not really sure why this thread is classified under Cinderellas. The issuance was for 450,000 btw according to the 2019 Maury. Now, if the delineation that they had no postal usage in Metropolitan France renders them a Cinderella? Not in my opinion. You can usually find these classified under the "Lvf" on French stamp auction sites, stamp dealer net price sales, etc. Hi Chris, I feel partly responsible for this. I was going to make a post on this subject but found that there were 2 separate threads and I suggested that they be amalgamated. One was already in Cinderellas and the other under the stamps of France. I have a booklet on these entitled 'The Legion of French Volunteers 1941-44' by R E Reader and published by The France & Colonies Philatelic Society of Great Britain in 1981. Let me give you some information from the booklet. Firstly, regarding Legionnaires' Mail, it states that 'Cards and letters not exceeding 20 grammes sent to and from the Legionnaires, whether at home or abroad, were exempt from postage and therefore required no postage stamps.' The booklet calls the stamps 'Military Frank Issues' but highlights the debate at the time as to the true philatelic nature of these LVF stamps, the same debate that we are having now. They were certainly collectible from the outset. There were 4 issues, all seen above. On 28th June 1942 the LVF, with German approval, became Legion Tricolore, 'a legion to be dependent on the French Government' but was dissolved on 28th December that year. However, 'On October 12, 1942, there appeared the first (and last!) stamp celebrating the Tricolour Legion. This stamp was truly official, being sold across the post office counter', actually 2 (or 3) stamps in blue and red plus an albino 'impression'. This is as opposed to the Military Frank Issues sold only by the Legion. There is one further note of interest, 'the Legion military frank stamps [were] immediately 'expurgated' from post Liberation catalogues by order of the Interunion Commission for the Purification of Philately set up at the end of 1944.' Sure, there are examples of the LVF stamps on Feldpost covers but there was no postal requirement for them. I would say that they are more akin to Swiss Soldier Stamps which are also readily found on Feldpost covers there. I don't see that Stanley Gibbons list the LVF stamps, not even under Military Frank Stamps, but they certainly list the Legion Tricolore stamps. I admire catalogues like Yvert et Tellier and Maury who do list them and realise their historical significance. Daniel
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Post by chrischross on Jul 26, 2021 8:34:27 GMT
There is one further note of interest, 'the Legion military frank stamps [were] immediately 'expurgated' from post Liberation catalogues by order of the Interunion Commission for the Purification of Philately set up at the end of 1944.' Sure, there are examples of the LVF stamps on Feldpost covers but there was no philatelic requirement for them. I would say that they are more akin to Swiss Soldier Stamps which are also readily found on Feldpost covers there. Thanks for the detailed reply, Daniel, appreciated as always. I was equating this issue as a Vichy version of "Franchise Militaire" (FM) stamps. In the colonial period, French troops were allowed two stamps per month to use, free of charge under the FM system. So with that recently gained bit of knowledge, I was projecting that into this issue. But as you say, there was no philatelic requirement for German Feldpost mail for this issue, so that settles that. P. Gandon has his name all over these issues, no wonder he got in trouble with De Gaulle!
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Post by JeffS on Jul 26, 2021 10:38:11 GMT
daniel - what the heck was The Interunion Commission for the Purification of Philately?
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Post by daniel on Jul 26, 2021 18:06:31 GMT
daniel - what the heck was The Interunion Commission for the Purification of Philately? Specifically, I don't know and couldn't find anything about them. There was a footnote in the booklet stating 'This body also forbade the sale of the Legion military frank issues and promised action against all those who had voluntarily placed orders for these issues when first put on sale by the Legion' Clearly, this was part of the Épuration, purification or purge against those who had collaborated with the Germans/Nazis. Starting with the épuration sauvage before moving on to the épuration légale. Many people were executed with numbers varying wildly from 10,000 to 100,000.
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Post by JeffS on Jul 26, 2021 19:04:53 GMT
daniel - Thanks, I was beginning to think I had fallen victim to a philatelic leg pull
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Post by chrischross on Jul 26, 2021 19:16:38 GMT
daniel - what the heck was The Interunion Commission for the Purification of Philately? Specifically, I don't know and couldn't find anything about them. There was a footnote in the booklet stating 'This body also forbade the sale of the Legion military frank issues and promised action against all those who had voluntarily placed orders for these issues when first put on sale by the Legion' Clearly, this was part of the Épuration, purification or purge against those who had collaborated with the Germans/Nazis. Starting with the épuration sauvage before moving on to the épuration légale. Many people were executed with numbers varying wildly from 10,000 to 100,000. Aha, it figures that the Commission was a French project to sweep certain uncomfortable things under the rug. That was my supposition from your first post, but I didn't want to speculate.
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Post by daniel on Jul 30, 2021 3:02:19 GMT
Just to complete the picture, even though these are semi-postals, here are the stamps issued in 1942 when the Legion became the (French) Legion Tricolore. The white label in the middle has actually been printed as a blind stamp (that is, engraved but with no ink) so as to give the impression of a (vertical) French flag.
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Post by WERT on Jul 30, 2021 3:18:02 GMT
daniel...Nice stamps I ran the middle stamp through one of my software programs...Looks like another non coloured stamp imprint. Robert
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