children's cinderellas - ID please

Not seen those before James,
One has to take about a 20% hit with not identifying Cinderellas.
I have a sub folder in my Cinderellas, named Unidentified.
Just drag them out from time to time on forums like TSF, gradually you catch them.
I would date the first at 1960's, second 1980's

On ebay, but cannot find link to sale



Nope, the owner doesn't know either
archiwumallegro.pl/niemcy_wohltatigkeits_verschlussmarke-1396932826.html

Call this a guess. The first is Dutch, showing two children making door-to-door solicitations to sell kinderzegels (kinderpostzegels?)-- children's charity stamps. Some Dutch kinderpostzegels are listed as semi-postals in Scott, some are more like Easter seals. The woman answering the door tells the children "We have already ordered kids stamps." The second is Austrian, again for an unspecified childrens' charity. Austria has produced many such labels/seals, although I've not seen this one before. The Dutch stamp is from the 1950s-60s, the Austrian from the 1920-30s. Oh, and I think the first word is wij, not wy with an umlaut.

Perhaps more accurate, Dutch kinderpostzegels probably were sold by the post office and used for postage while kinderzegels were distributed by charities by whatever means, say children going door-to-door, and not used for postage.

The intended use of your stamps is interesting. The Austrian's use was to seal envelope flaps; the Dutch was likely for posting by the doorbell to wave off hoards of children selling stamps. "We've done our bit, don't ring the bell."