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Post by tobben63 on Sept 28, 2021 12:58:19 GMT
I call out to the experts. Is this a Newfoundland No. 4? I cant see any watermark. And yes, I know it is a spacefiller   |
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Post by brightonpete on Sept 28, 2021 13:15:16 GMT
Just looking at the photo you have provided, I'd say it is a second printing of 18. The paper looks like it is hard paper, not a soft porous paper like what 4 or the 1st printing of 18 would be. But that is just looking at the photo. Paper is the tell-tale sign for this one. Unitrade doesn't differentiate between the two printings, so I guess values are the same.
That's just my inexperienced opinion of course, others may differ.
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Post by tobben63 on Sept 28, 2021 13:24:48 GMT
The paper is very thin, but stiff. Scanned the backside.  |
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Post by brightonpete on Sept 28, 2021 13:28:25 GMT
Thin, stiff paper, it's 18. Sorry it's not 4, that's quite a drop in value, even in that condition!
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Post by tobben63 on Sept 28, 2021 13:33:44 GMT
Well I think it's nice anyway. I came over a lot of Newfoundland stamps. I have given them a good was and dried them. Start sorting them now. 
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Sept 28, 2021 13:42:48 GMT
Thanks for your post, Torbjørn ( tobben63). It looks like an interesting stamp, for sure. You may wish to have a look here at Morten's ( classicalstamps) website: stampforgeries.com/forged-stamps-of-newfoundland-1857-1862-page-2/These early Newfoundland issues were forged extensively, and to be honest, unless you can see the engraving in reality much more clearly than how it looks on the scan, I am thinking it is more likely a forgery than a genuine one. To me, at least, your image looks closest to the Sperati forgery on Morten's site. Other opinions are welcome, of course, as I have no special expertise in this area. |
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Post by tobben63 on Sept 28, 2021 13:44:42 GMT
Wow that is interesting Chris, will have a look
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Post by WERT on Sept 28, 2021 13:48:04 GMT
Hi Tobben63
Shame it is torn..Below are pictures and a link to see if it was a forgery or genuine. Robert
Wish we could include PDF''s here..Got a PDF "fakes and Forgeries By Ed Wener"..36 pages..Great write up.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Sept 29, 2021 11:54:42 GMT
Wish we could include PDFs here. Got a PDF "Newfoundland Fakes and Forgeries" by Ed Wener..36 pages. Great write up. Thanks for your comment, Robert. I did a quick search, and the PDF of Wener's write-up is available for free download here: www.jacestamps.com/e-books/Newfoundland_Stamps_Fakes_and_Forgeries.pdfI agree that it looks quite good, and I will have a closer look later today. Thanks again, Robert, it is much appreciated!  |
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Sept 29, 2021 20:52:01 GMT
OK, Torbjørn ( tobben63), here is a little more comparison study on my part:   Tobben, I have taken the image you provided, and I have compared it with images from Morten's ( classicalstamps) website. I don't know if my earlier thought that your stamp is a Sperati forgery is correct or not, but comparing yours to the genuine, the level of detail in the engraving does not look the same. I am sorry to say it, but I am still thinking that yours is more likely a forgery than genuine. I also note that yours seems to be on very white-looking paper, and perhaps a bit more porous or rough than the genuine, too. I have no special expertise in this area, so of course, other comments are welcome. |
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Post by tobben63 on Sept 30, 2021 12:52:52 GMT
That was a good comparison Chris. I'm confident with the fact that this stamp is a fake, in fact it is something to save, but of course mark as fake.
A genuine one would of course hav been better...
Some of the reason for the white paper is that I soak all old stamps with a good dash of neutral dish washing liquid.
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Post by WERT on Sept 30, 2021 13:11:22 GMT
tobben63..check those stamps...and more
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Sept 30, 2021 14:49:27 GMT
Some of the reason for the white paper is that I soak all old stamps with a good dash of neutral dish washing liquid. Well, you did a very nice job with the cleaning, then. It looks quite bright compared to the others. I have never used dish soap when I soak stamps, but perhaps I should consider it. |
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Post by michael on Sept 30, 2021 16:14:06 GMT
Sperati used photolitho and the original was engraved. Look at the stamp with a 20X eye piece at a slight angle and you should see that the ink is slightly raised if it is an engraved stamp.
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Post by tobben63 on Sept 30, 2021 17:34:30 GMT
tobben63..check those stamps...and more
Robert Here is a 1200dpi scan of the stamps WERT Click on image to get lage file.  
The dog is a true 'space filler'. Torn in two but I have glued it back with a hinge.    |
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Post by tobben63 on Sept 30, 2021 18:18:32 GMT
Sperati used photolitho and the original was engraved. Look at the stamp with a 20X eye piece at a slight angle and you should see that the ink is slightly raised if it is an engraved stamp Can't see any rising ink?  |
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Post by WERT on Sept 30, 2021 18:18:44 GMT
Hi tobben63 Sorry..no re-entries...Still keepers.
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